[mrjesse]

I am sorry that you didn't understand the frame of reference. I just assumed that the frame of reference was a given, our position on a spinning earth.

I have often specified "To an observer on the earth." thats has been a given throughout this whole conversation!

Okay let's try this again, and I'll make sure we're talking about the correct and same frames of references!

You said:

The suns actual position and gravitational position do line up. The apparent position doesn't though, it is off by 2.1 degrees like you indicated. [From our position on a spinning earth.]

But what have I been indicating? I have been saying

You claimed that at a given instant, the gravitational(and actual) direction of the sun is 2.1 degrees ahead of its optical/apparent direction for an observer on the earth."

So quite clearly we've been talking about an observer on the earth, and we've been talking about an angular difference between the light and gravity at any given instant.

That's why I was confused by your question of "what frame of reference" when I asked about Pluto -- because I've been so explicit that I'm talking about observing from earth that I thought you were talking about something other then time and place. Besides, my scenerio was based on an observer on earth! I mean really, all my calculations were based on the distance to the earth and its rotation rate! Did you think I was going through all the calculations specific to the earth in order to ask about what things would look like from Saturn?! Especially when I've been so repeatedly explicit about being an observer on the earth? Get real!

Now, let me ask you all proper: From our position on a spinning earth, and based on my previous specifications, will the gravitational angle of Pluto be about 102 degrees ahead of its apparent optical angle in the sky, at the same time? (In other words, we take the gravity angle measurement and light angle measurement at the same time from the same place on earth.)

This is a simple yes or no question. Either it is or it isn't about 102 degrees. Please be honest enough to answer yes or no.

Thanks,

-Jesse

[LeGrande]

This is a simple yes or no question. Either it is or it isn't about 102 degrees. Please be honest enough to answer yes or no.

Sorry but it isn't a yes or no answer. Answer my question first about the time, which exact instant in time? When the light reflects off the planet or when the light arrives on earth? You seem to be saying that light is instantaneous, that is the only context where your question makes any sense.

Maybe you should go back and reread Zeno's paradox.