[LeGrande]

I well know that light is not instantaneous and travels at about 300MM/S. I also well know that by the time a given light wavefront reaches me from Pluto, the earth will have rotated 102 degrees and the apparent position of Pluto (along with the stars) will also have appeared to move by 102 degrees

You have it right, my job is done. That wasn't so hard was it.

Yeah yeah I well know that the earth rotates about 102 degrees in 6.8 hours! I also know that the light I would see from Pluto is 6.8 hours old. But that's not the issue here!

It is precisely the issue.

[mrjesse]

You have it right, my job is done. That wasn't so hard was it.

It is precisely the issue.

But you claimed that the angular displacement between the sun's gravitational pull and optical position is 2.1 degrees, at any given instant, without waiting 8.3 minutes!

And you have still heretofore refused to answer the same question about Pluto - At any given instant, is the gravitational pull of Pluto 102 degrees different then its optical position?

You have also heretofore refused to answer the question of "When look at Pluto in my telescope, at the instant see it, will it actually be 102 degrees away from where I see it at that instant?"

Such simple questions that you keep avoiding! Could it be you were wrong and you're not honest enough to say so? Because then everyone would ask themselves "What other stuff were you wrong about?" Is this constant avoiding of the issue and dishonesty just what I need to expect whenever dealing with an atheist scientist? Solitan was just explaining to me that it's okay to lie in order to keep society working. Does that also include in order to keep society believing in ASBE (All Species By Evolution?) or in other absurd ideas like "Everything is waves of nothing and therefore well may have come from nothing?" (I.E. the big bang.)

You've beat around the bush every which way - so please just answer these two questions! And to really show us how wrong I am (or whatever, [grin]) please tell me what the optical and gravitational angular displacement would be for a heavenly body that was 12 light hours away!

Thanks,

-Jesse