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To: Alamo-Girl
I personally eschew all of the doctrines and traditions of men across the board

Why? Just because something is accepted doctrine or is a traditional interpretation does not mean that it is worthless. It's often quite the opposite. In Christianity many ideas achieved the level of doctrine because they were much debated and consistently shown to be the positions best supported by the Scripture.

As I have testified before, Scriptures are Spiritual per se - they contain the words of God - and therefore, they cannot be discerned like ordinary words.

The trouble is that you are discerning meanings to these words that have not been detected by the majority of Christians at the present time and through the past. Either God is not so good at communicating his thoughts, or he speaks specially to you among many, or you have a creative mind and may draw conclusions that are not really supported.

637 posted on 08/12/2008 12:16:20 PM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: ahayes; Quix
When it comes to God, the majority view is most likely quite wrong:

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. - Matthew 7:13-14

And consensus among mortals often results in doctrines and traditions of men which are of no good effect:

Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. - Mark 7:7

The vital "teacher" is God Himself:

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. - I John 2:27

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. – Romans 8:1

The language of the Spirit is not like the language of men and nothing less will do:

Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. - I Corinthians 2:6-16

To God be the glory!

644 posted on 08/12/2008 12:34:24 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: ahayes; Alamo-Girl
[ To AG: "The trouble is that you are discerning meanings to these words that have not been detected by the majority of Christians at the present time and through the past." ]

You seem to fallen into a polluted pool.. AG's musings are quite orthodox, to far away, the majority of christians I know and have known, have read, and consulted.. A few cults differ from her musings.. as far as I know those musings..

Swimming out of the latrine you've stumbled into, and batheing might clean you up right up..

647 posted on 08/12/2008 12:36:33 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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