[Coyoteman]

Evolution (atheist version) requires information ex nihilo (out of nothing). The Neo-Darwinist's mechanism not withstanding.

False. And this has been explained hundreds of times -- evolution does not include origins.

Here are five possible hypotheses:

a) Natural processes occurring entirely upon earth resulted in chains of self-replicating molecular strands that eventually became the first life forms.

b) Aliens from another planet and/or dimension traveled to this planet and -- deliberately or accidentally -- seeded the planet with the first life forms.

c) In the future, humans will develop a means to travel back in time. They will use this technology to plant the first life forms in Earth's past, making the existence of life a causality loop.

d) A divine agent of unspecified nature zap-poofed the first life forms into existence.

e) Any method other than the four described above led to the existence of the first life forms.

The theory of evolution works just fine with any of these because it does not include origins!

Why do you guys keep claiming that it does? By now, it can't be ignorance of what the theory of evolution states, because you have been corrected hundreds of times.

Is it tilting at strawmen because you can't effectively argue against the theory of evolution itself?

Or is it just an attempt at propaganda? You know, kind of like the whole "Darwinist" thing we keep hearing about.

[Donald Rumsfeld Fan]

The theory of evolution works just fine with any of these because it does not include origins! Why do you guys keep claiming that it does? By now, it can't be ignorance of what the theory of evolution states, because you have been corrected hundreds of times.

Because if you dodge origins the theory dies. Game, set, match. Dawkins understood this. He tried to deflect by alluding to aliens from outer space as did Francis Crick.

If you posit that information preceded life and was not ex nihilo then there must have been a god.

And that opens up a pandora's box. What was god's role in the information he injected into the creation event and how. And what was the exact nature of the information. And how did god's information get into our DNA. And was it planned or merely a byproduct?

I understand the reason evolutionists want to excise origins from the theory. The theory needs a lot of work. Hence the jello.

But if they could come up with a good ex nihilo explanation/experiment they would leap at it with all the vigor they could muster. ala Urey and Miller.

But I have a question why not just admit we don't know how the "specified" information got into our DNA but once it did life exploded. WOW.

I have my own theory as to why. It would be an admission that the ID'rs were right after all. .