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I'm telling you, the water and light will hit the center of the merry go around in the same place (the center) and come from the exact same place - exactly north.

The water won't hit the center and if you spin the MGR fast enough neither will the light.

By the way I'm well familiar with the concept of time of flight, phase shift, and that the earth rotates 2.13 degrees (arpox) in the time it takes for the sun's light to reach us, but the fact that we rotate in place does not mean that the sun's position changes nor does it mean that somehow the light is bent to travel in a curve or something.

Lets say that you have a sundial and for illustration lets say that the sun is a little over 7 AU away so that it takes the light an hour to get here. When the Sun dial indicates that it is noon with regular light, where would the Sun dial indicate the direction of the Sun if light was instantaneous? One o'clock right? So where is the sun in actuality, at the noon position as you claim or at the one o'clock position that I claim?

By the way, are you on any meds for depression which might impair your thinking, perchance without you knowing it? Any that say to not drive while taking? Seldom have I seen such strange incoherence without the involvement of a narcotic.

Yes that must be it. Projection is an interesting phenomena.

The water won't hit the center and if you spin the MGR fast enough neither will the light.

But the water and light are aiming right at the center! Anyway, you're on. I've run water jets on my mill's rotating bit, and trust me, it hits the center regardless of spin speed. I don't even have to have the water pulsing, do I? I mean, if pulses don't hit the center, then a steady stream won't hit the center either, will it?

Lets say that you have a sundial and for illustration lets say that the sun is a little over 7 AU away so that it takes the light an hour to get here. When the Sun dial indicates that it is noon with regular light, where would the Sun dial indicate the direction of the Sun if light was instantaneous? One o'clock right? So where is the sun in actuality, at the noon position as you claim or at the one o'clock position that I claim?

Ahh, I like it, A gravitational sundial. Perfect.

In answer to your question above, If the sun orbited the earth at the rate of 24 hours per orbit, then yes, I agree, the optical sundial would read one hour behind the gravity sundial. (Oh I love that idea. Gravity sundial. I might built one. would that be possible?) But the fact is that the sun doesn't orbit the earth, but rather the earth rotates at the rate of 1 turn per 24 hours.

But give me a weekend or two to do the water on the merry go around experiment and then maybe we'll know more.

By the way, what is the difference between the earth rotating at the rate of 180Deg/8.5Min and a merry go around doing the exact same thing? How come one would lag the suns optical position 180 degrees from its gravitational position and not the other?

Thanks,

-Jesse