Hmm, I will give it one last try. Forget everything up till now : ) Break the loop and start fresh.
But I've already put out two great examples and each one only needs a yes or a no answer. Why do you refuse to answer these? My observation is that usually when someone refuses to follow a certain thought path it is because they know that if they go there they'll be proven wrong.
Here they are, again:
Lets say that I'm on a mountaintop park, where there is a merry go around. It's a beautiful bright sunny warm morning, and as I sit on the merry go around, I look out and notice that the sun is exactly horizontal. Now let us further pretend that I get the merry go around rotating at 17 minutes per turn. This way, it'll have turned 180 degrees in the time it takes the light to reach the earth from the sun. So now let's say I have a very sensitive gravity meter which can measure the sun's gravitational pull.Now let me ask you - which way will the sun's gravity appear related to it's light? Will the gravity of the sun be in the east while its gravitational pull will be toward the west?
And here's merry go around number two:
If I am on a merry go around, and it's turning, and there is a pulsing water jet and laser (which pulse in unison) both pointing at the center of the merry go around. The pulse rate and turn rate of the merry go around are such that no water pulse overlaps the life of the previous, and the merry go around turns 1/4 of a turn in the time it takes the leading edge of a water pulse to reach the center of the merry go around. Now it's a warm day and I'm sitting in the middle of the merry go around, with a good water proof compass. The water jet and laser are exactly north, 20 feet, of the center of the merry go around.So which is it, on these two experiments? They are careful and simple, and a simple "yes" or "no" would be perfectly reasonable and would solve a lot of confusion. By the way, if it simplifies things, the first merry go around (or both for all I care) could be placed right on the north pole.Will I not find that every time either light or water hits me that it will be coming exactly from the north?
Logical answers would be "Yes, No, or Yes but this doesn't carry over to the situation with the sun and its apparent position."
Thanks,
-Jesse
No and No : ) Does that help?