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To: LeGrande
seemed to have no comprehension of Zeno's paradox

My familiarity with the movement of things caused me to not mentally fall for the bad trickster logic in Zeno's turtle paradox. The bad logic of course is that the faster runner has to stop every time he reaches each goal.

Your merry go round experiment conclusion was wrong

How as my merry go round experiment conclusion wrong?

If the earth's rotation of 2.13 degrees per 8.5 minutes causes a 2.13 degree lag between the actual and the apparent angle of the sun, why would the merry go around with a rotation of 180 degrees per 8.5 minutes not cause a lag of 180 degrees between the actual position of the sun and the apparent position? What if the earth turned 180 degrees every 8.5 minutes? Would we have sun at the day and just the sun's gravity skyward at night?

If you are unwilling to learn, I am unwilling to try and teach you.

I'm perfectly willing, even eager, to learn why the sun's apparent location would lag its real position by 2.13 degrees.. Again, do you believe that if the earth rotated at 180 degrees per 8.5 minutes, that the gravity meter of the sun would point 180 out from the apparent position?

You seem unable or unwilling to try and grasp simple concepts that disagree with your world view.

Well, there are a ton of incorrect ideas being marketed in the marketplace of ideas. Anybody who takes as fact something that they do not understand and cannot see demonstrated for themselves runs the risk of believing as fact a bunch of incorrect stuff.

The lag of the apparent angle of the sun doesn't have anything to do with my worldview as far as I know (Some stuff does - but not this one) but rather it just doesn't make scientific sense.

My example was simple, is the sun where it appears to be when you look at it? Or is it ahead of where it appears to be? You seem to think that it is where it appears to be, you are wrong.

I unquestionably do think that the sun is where it appears to be - at least for an observer on the earth. And you can quote me on that (as long as you include a date. It may be that you will convince me otherwise. And I'll let you know if you do.)

It's one thing to say I'm wrong (And I well may be, so I welcome the proof thereof) but it's an entirely different (and much more useful) thing to demonstrate how I'm wrong rather then just saying I'm wrong. Anybody can say of anybody else "You're wrong." But saying so neither makes it so nor proves it to be true.

Here's another merry go around experiment. Let me ask you this:

If I am on a merry go around, and it's turning, and there is a pulsing water jet and laser (which pulse in unison) both pointing at the center of the merry go around. The pulse rate and turn rate of the merry go around are such that no water pulse overlaps the life of the previous, and the merry go around turns 1/4 of a turn in the time it takes the leading edge of a water pulse to reach the center of the merry go around.

Now it's a warm day and I'm sitting in the middle of the merry go around, with a good water proof compass. The water jet and laser are exactly north, 20 feet, of the center of the merry go around.

Will I not find that every time either light or water hits me that it will be coming exactly from the north?

Logical answers would be "Yes, No, or Yes but this doesn't carry over to the situation with the sun and its apparent position."

I'd also still like to know what was wrong with my other merry go around conclusion. How does it not perfectly emulate the rotation of the earth while being bathed in the suns light -- except just faster?

Thanks!

-Jesse

490 posted on 07/03/2008 9:45:41 PM PDT by mrjesse (Could it be true? Imagine, being forgiven, and having a cause, greater then yourself, to live for!)
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To: mrjesse
mrjesse, perhaps you can devise an experiment to test LeGrandean mechanics:
"In a two body system there is no difference between one body spinning in relation to the other body or one body orbiting a stationary body." [LeGrande]

You see, LeGrandean mechanics makes no distinction between non-inertial reference frames and inertial reference frames. I bet LeGrandean mechanics will also soon teach us that there is no such thing as acceleration either.

491 posted on 07/03/2008 11:02:54 PM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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