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To: LeGrande
You originally said "The problem is that it is impossible to prove a negative."
(Error in my reply corrected below)
"I agree that it is impossible to disprove prove a negative. So the statement 'there are no clear prophecies that have been fulfilled' seems to be the logical fallacy of proving a negative."
"No a prophecy is definitive. It is a prediction that can be falsified. It either is or isn't, if it isn't it is falsified. What is so hard about that to understand?"
The statement to which you replied concerns the existance of 'clear prophecies that have been fulfilled'.
(Your reply changes the subject and addresses the content of prophesies, not their existence.)
You assert that 'there are no clear prophecies that have been fulfilled'.
That is asserting the non-existence of something, or, 'proving' a negative.

"True, why don't you define God so that we can quit going around in circles?"
I'm not the one going around in circles.

"Aren't prophets men? Isn't that how God speaks to man, through Prophets? Can you provide a single, clear definitive prophecy that has come to pass? Wouldn't that be a prerequisite for a prophet?"
The bible is full of prophecies that have been fulfilled, some of them even recently.
(Like the creation of the state of Israel)

And then there is that oh so familiar scripture:

But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Matthew 12:39-40



Are you proving the nonexistence of future prophets sent by God?
Based on the nonexistence of prophets in the past, yes.
Can you prove that, because you have never seen me perform Handel's Messiah, I never will?

Remember what you said: "The problem is that it is impossible to prove a negative."

Either you were wrong when you said 'it is impossible to prove a negative' or you are wrong about there never being any future prophets.
(Or it could be that your a relativist who doesn't believe in the law of non-contradiction.)

Whatever the case, Logic only works if True and False are contradictory and absolute.
380 posted on 06/25/2008 7:06:33 PM PDT by Fichori (Primitive goat herder.)
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To: Fichori
That is asserting the non-existence of something, or, 'proving' a negative.

God is a negative. A prophesy is a positive assertion, a positive assertion can be falsified. None of the prophecies in the Bible are clear or fulfilled, thus they have been falsified.

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Matthew 12:39-40

So the best prophecy you have is one that was written years after the event? LOL

Can you prove that, because you have never seen me perform Handel's Messiah, I never will?

Are you prophesying that you are going to perform Handel's Messiah? If I prophesy that I am going to see Handel's Messiah and go see it does that make me a Prophet?

Either you were wrong when you said 'it is impossible to prove a negative' or you are wrong about there never being any future prophets.

You are correct, I can't predict that there will not be any prophets in the future. That would be a contradiction. The hypothesis is that it is impossible to predict the future. All it would take to falsify the hypothesis (prediction) is the existence of a prophet in the future. Similarly all it would take to disprove the Theory of Gravities prediction is for a rock not to drop when when it is released.

But we are confusing Theories with Prophecy. A theory is simply a testable observation of what is. It may predict that that the sun will rise tomorrow but it is an observation not a prediction. A prophecy would predict that on tomorrow the Sun will stand still in the sky while a man raises his hands. Would you care to place a wager on which one pans out?

381 posted on 06/25/2008 7:44:34 PM PDT by LeGrande
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