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Patriarch calls for preservation of Kosovo covenant
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Posted on 04/26/2008 9:44:36 AM PDT by BabaYaga

Patriarch calls for preservation of Kosovo covenant 26 April 2008 | 18:13 | Source: B92, Beta BELGRADE -- On the eve of the greatest Christian holiday, His Holiness Patriarch Pavle's Easter message to the members of the Serbian Orthodox Church was read.

At the beginning of the Holy Week, the patriarch called on the faithful to fulfill their Kosovo covenant, "because Kosovo is not merely a question of Serb territory, but of the Serb spiritual being, because we were born, grew, lived and matured with Kosovo and Metohija as individuals, and as a nation. We have lived and died by the Kosovo covenant".

"In these days of Paschal joy, in this time of divine mercy toward all and everybody, we cannot but remember the human injustice and violence of the mighty of this world inflicted upon our Kosovo and Metohija, our Serbia and the entire Serbian nation," the message said.

"Having Kosovo and Metohija in our hearts and our unceasing care for our brothers and sisters and all those that suffer there, having a living Kosovo and Metohija within ourselves day and night, no one will take them away from us. The Homeland is the heart of man, says one poet. Within our hearts we have placed Kosovo and Metohija. We call upon all Orthodox Serbs to fulfill the Kosovo covenant in full, and that is the Holy Lazar’s testament," the Easter message continued.

"If we complete that covenant no one will take Kosovo and Metohija away from us, neither in this nor that age, just as no one could have taken Holy Jerusalem from the Jewish people. We call upon all of you, beginning with politicians and scholars down to the most humble and youngest sons and daughters of our Homeland, that with their work and honorable lives we be deserving of and preserve Kosovo and Metohija before God," the patriarch wrote.

Kosovo, the message said, is an integral part of every Serb's life.

"Knowing this," it continued, "the creators of this historic injustice wished to inflict the deepest possible wound, and unspeakable pain and suffering on us".

"Let scholars with their scientific work defend Kosovo and Metohija; let artists with their creativeness express the beauty and the essence of our Kosovo and Metohija; let athletes vow their successes to Kosovo and Metohija; let every parent have Kosovo and Metohija be a first word to whisper in his newborn’s ears; let every farmer dedicate his first hour of labor to Kosovo and Metohija; let every worker dedicate his first hour of work to Kosovo and Metohija; let every politician dedicate his first political thought to Kosovo and Metohija, let every pastor offer his first prayer to God for Kosovo and Metohija!," the message said.

"Just as the Psalmist of old sings of the unjustly taken and destroyed Jerusalem, we too must sing in the spirit of the Kosovo covenant: If we forget you Kosovo, if we forget you Metohija, let then the right hand of the Lord forget me! Let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth, if I do not remember you, if I do not put forward Kosovo and Metohija as the beginning of my joy," the patriarch said.

The message sent special greetings to the members of the Serb Diaspora in the United States of America, Canada, Australia, Europe, Asia, Africa, and Europe.

"We greet and call them to unite in our Resurrected Lord Jesus Christ, that they never again let others divide them and make them quarrel among themselves."

"We also greet our brothers and sisters in the Republic of Srpska and Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Montenegro, Slovenia and the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia. We greet the entire Church of God spread throughout the world and among people of good will. We call all to peace, unity and a good witness before all those outside," the patriarch said.

The message ends with the words, "Christ Is Risen! Indeed He Is Risen!"


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To: DoorGunner

Using my words (I admit words of anger, but you`re nicely avoiding the factual information that I wrote you) so you could confirm your point of view is telling me that you can not see difference between right or wrong in spite of my efforts you to come closer to this issue.

It is your government that is about to start another sircle of violence taking by force part of sovereign country that was US ally in both WW. Let me tell you that there`s not one single country in Balkas (Greece, Romania) that support this, even though some of them were forced to recognize that criminal act, also like other nations in rest of Europe like Spain, Russia, Polish, Cheks, Slovaks. There`s more people every day that start to understand and raise their voice against this aggression.

Belive me, I understand why are talking like that, because I know that also in late 30 of last century there were not many Americans that could realize clearly what was going on in Europe and what was about to happen. It is clear similarity with Munich agreement and worse, during the war there were just “roomers” about horrific concentracion camps that have been created to eliminate whole nations and larger group of people (Jews, Slavs) and until liberation of those, nobody was aware of cosequencies of one “arian” nation fighting for it`s Lebensraum all over Europe.

It seems that “In modern times it is crime to protect your people from crime. If you do that then you are fascist.”

The Begining Of The Kosovo Issue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waR8-zm-eU4&feature=PlayList&p=EB13E6AC096E5AA3&index=11

Again, I invite you to listen to what people from USA and Canada (not just Europeans, that seem so distant to you) have to say (and especialy of those who actually spent time in Balkans) like:

James Jatras: Muslim Extermination Of Kosovo Christians 1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9TV6HidUKQ&feature=related

Ambassador James Bissett/ James Jatras - About Kosovo 1/2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chjxX2qWHR0&feature=related

UN General Lewis Mackenzie: Kosovo’s Independence “Immoral”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x1nI-NXIw4&feature=related

Scott Taylor speaks at Kosovo demonstration in Toronto
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmsw3bJ-uUU

Michael Savage: The Historical Truth About The Serbs/ Kosovo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfPKumQHts4

Michael Savage: Kosovo’s Independence “Immoral”, Part 1 Of 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yorGY8wDfp8&NR=1

“Ron Paul strongly opposed US intervention in Bosnia and Kosovo. During the Kosovo war Ron Paul said, “Here we are. We’re involved in a war, a NATO war, an illegal war. It hasn’t been declared. NATO’s a defensive organization. This is aggression against a sovereign nation. We have no business over there.
Paul blasted government officials who supported the attack on Yugoslavia saying, “Only when those who champion our war effort in Serbia are willing to volunteer for the front lines and offer their own lives for the cause will they gain credibility. Promoters of war never personalize it. It is always some other person or some other parent’s child’s life who will be sacrificed, not their own.”

Nobody should denie right of the human being for existance and prosper and for justice. Therefore I do not hate anybody or for the matters of my country I would not accept any violence and crimes, like I do not accept others to do the same.

” A Song of Defiance (parts)

I the servant of God,
the Serb,
announce willingly
through chains and wires
before the witnesses
Power, Agony and Injustice,
that I am guilty and admit my crime!
I am guilty that I am a somebody
and not a nothing and a nobody.
I am guilty that in a time of general
Serb-hating
I go to an Orthodox Christian church
and make the sign of the cross like this,
with three fingers!
I am guilty of being,
when I ought not to be.
I have been guilty for a long time now
of standing upright
and gaze upon Heaven, instead of the grass.
...
I am guilty
then
of existing,
and while already being and rudely standing,
of not admitting that I do not exist.
...
You must be very important,
you, my dear Land,
and your sisters
Truth and Justice,
since so many powers have arisen against you,
and Untruth and Injustice
stand before you with jaws agape.
...
Spare me the stake and rope,
and crucify me on a mountain top
just as your forbearer crucified my forbearer,
Jesus Christ the Nazarene.

I shall watch,
but you shall close your eyes,
otherwise they will burst
from the glow of my face.
Just hurry -
because the sooner you crucify me
the sooner I will resurrect.”


21 posted on 04/28/2008 7:16:33 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: BabaYaga
you can not see difference between right or wrong in spite of my efforts you to come closer to this issue.
It is your government that is about to start another sircle of violence taking by force part of sovereign country
Well, you certainly have a point there. We (America) were stupid enough to elect a president who made foreign policy decisions with his penis, instead of his brains. While I believe that it can be reasonably argued that SOMEONE should have intervened in the ethnic cleansing going on then, in Kosovo (and elsewhere in the Balkans) Clinton was an utter fool to put us on the side of the Albanians. Our current president apparently finds it necessary to follow through on that policy. I do not think that many Americans thought this was a good idea, much as I do not think that ALL Serbs wanted Serbs to mass murder Albanians in Kosovo.

I'll make a deal with you, personally: You come to my house. I will paint a “Bulls Eye” on my forehead, and hand you a loaded gun. All you have to do is promise to make it a clean kill, and promise that the people of the Balkans will stop hating and killing each other.

Do we have a deal?

DG



22 posted on 04/28/2008 8:39:41 PM PDT by DoorGunner ( ...and so, all Israel will be saved.)
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To: DoorGunner

It`s been admitted that there was no any genocide and that it was all hoax, right after getting NATO troups into Kosovo region in 1999., so after primal screaming 300 000, 200 000, 100 000 deat, till whisperings about 2.108!!! It`s been confirmed by foreign forensic experts and that both Serbs and Albanians victims. That “Racak massacre” was fake just to provide reason to start blackmailing along with shameless Rambouillet proposal.

Press Reports On False Claims
Of Genocide By Serbs In Kosovo
www.nlpwessex.org/docs/kosovofalsehoods.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/kosovo/kosovo.htm

http://www.moneyfiles.org/globalizationarchive.html

Clinton, Kerry and Kosovo The Lie of a “Good War”
by Diane Johnstone
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/JOH406A.html

Interim Agreement for Peace and Self-Government in Kosovo
February 23, 1999
http://www.commondreams.org/kosovo/rambouillet.htm

War Crimes and the Recognition of Kosovo: Observations on the current political leadership in Kosovo
by Major General (ret’d) Lewis MacKenzie
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8533

February 19, 2008
Does Balkanization Beckon Anew?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=12386

March 13, 2000
The Big Lie
NATO’s Campaign of Deception in Kosovo
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2000/tst031300.htm

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArchivesByMonth

I guess sometimes it`s easier to say “I`m guilty” instead to end in never-to-get-out of endless circle of explaining and defending defendless as nobody wants to hear what you have to say. Just to say “I`m guilty, I`m sorry, let`s move on” as nobody want to hear or watch your proof of inosence. You know what`s interesting that anytime some “new” warcrime of non-Serbs pop out (in western media of course) is when western governments want something from Slovenia and use blackmail to get it (killing unarmed JNA soldiers) or Croatia (but not enough of bosnian or albanian), so serbian voice is stil unwanted and hidden. But time has changed, finaly, or it is changing. It`s been a long time for Serbia facing injustice and untruth. Enough for blaming the whole nation.

We ought to move on living so that our future can stop being hostage of the past, that`s why Serbia today signed SAA agreement in Luxembourg with EU towards joing the same organization in next years http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=04&dd=29&nav_id=49819
(if you have time read comments on that article how much oppinions on that controversial are, both from Serbs and foreigners), of course not without objection of some EU members – Netherland alltogether with objection of largest serbian nationalistic party – Radicals, hmmm.

“I’ll make a deal with you, personally”

Than`x for your offhanded invite to make a “world peace”. It means you offer yourself to be sacrifice-lamb to save us from the past and future sins. Good idea, but, hmm, I don`t like guns mate, maybe an arrow will help to take off that cherry on top of your head :-).

Until then I can offer you images of Belgrade (not of those in US or Belgium, but original one), so you may reconsider visiting one day one of the oldest city in Europe and take a drink in some pub (Carlsberg beer?).

http://www.pbase.com/vmarinkovic/belgrade
http://www.pbase.com/dejan/belgrade
http://www.pbase.com/sofo/belgrade_2005
http://www.pbase.com/eliashan/belgrade
http://www.pbase.com/sasa011/belgrade

Enjoy.


23 posted on 04/29/2008 2:24:06 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: BabaYaga
Than`x for your offhanded invite to make a “world peace”

It is not “offhanded.” I am completely serious. But, it is clear that YOU have no interest in doing anything to stop the cycle of hate and mass murder in the Balkans.

It`s been admitted that there was no any genocide and that it was all hoax,
till whisperings about 2.108!!!

Excellent! TWO THOUSAND human beings were murdered. Tens of thousands were forced to flee in terror. Yes, yes. They were just PRETENDING to be murdered and were just PRETENDING to be driven out of their homes. “...it was all hoax.”

There is a hard reality facing you. You (personally) and you (Serbs) believe, as an article FAITH, that God has told you that Kosovo is YOURS. I tell you (all) that if God wants Kosovo (or anything else) to be YOURS, He will hand it to you on a silver platter. If, on the other hand, this belief of yours is a LIE; if God did NOT say that Kosovo is yours...

Well, then, in THAT case if you get possession of Kosovo, etc. You (you personally, and you Serbs) will get it by killing thousands more than have already been killed. Do you (personally) want to become a mass murderer, to get Kosovo? Do you (personally) want your fellow Serbs to become mass murderers? If not, you need to wait for God to give it to you(all).

Wait on God... or murder... tough choice. I cannot help but think that the choice will be murder.

DG

24 posted on 04/29/2008 5:11:02 PM PDT by DoorGunner ( ...and so, all Israel will be saved.)
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To: DoorGunner

“But, it is clear that YOU have no interest in doing anything to stop the cycle of hate and mass murder in the Balkans.”

Well, it would be good if you wanted to tell some black-humor. But I guess I was wrong. Sorry, no can do.

“Excellent!”

No it`s not, but stil not 300 000. I don`t denie real crime, I denie lie (which was proven by investigations as links say) so as you could read my lines above there.

“You (personally) and you (Serbs) believe, as an article FAITH, that God has told you that Kosovo is YOURS.”

God doesn`t talk me back :-).

“I tell you (all) that if God wants Kosovo (or anything else) to be YOURS, He will hand it to you on a silver platter.”

Pretty possible.

Doesn`t that saying tell us: belive in God, but always lock the door? Point here: God doesnt`t care for you if you do not care about yourself.

About all those questions of killings...hmm...calm down mate. You already have my answers in earlier posts.

...and so, Kosovo will be saved.


25 posted on 04/29/2008 6:55:49 PM PDT by BabaYaga (BRE!)
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To: DoorGunner

You really don’t know the truth about what went on...your ramblings about massacres and people being driven out of their homes...give me a break. Propaganda may work on the ignorant, but don’t try and educate anyone without knowing the facts, especially when they themselves are searching for the real facts while you go with whatever is fed to you. Find out how many innocent deaths those US-led bombings on Serbia caused before you start throwing around numbers here. Find out why those Kosovars were evacuating, and who really forced them out. Find out what happened to those who tried to stay, and by whose hand it happened....then speak, and do so intelligently.

The funny thing is folks like yourself honestly believe that Serbs one day woke up and decided to start butchering people for no apparent reason, and you calmly accept and go with that ridiculous notion. You don’t even once think that maybe there is more to this than you’re being told. The reality is they (young Albanians led by militant Muslims who only want a foothold in Europe) tried to take that region over and were successful only due to the aid of the US (who also want a foothold in Europe). So when Serbia, one of the US most loyal allies throughout history, sees us take the side of known terrorists....can you possibly fathom what that would feel like?

Don’t try and make good Christian folks here feel bad by you siding with Muslims and saying it’s our fault for not doing the same. Some of us here have spines. God doesn’t hand anyone anything “on a silver platter” and if it comes down to living while being forced out of my country, my home, converting to Islam, possibly watching those I love being brutalized or killed vs. dying to try to prevent it.....I’m defending my family, my country, my beliefs and values...a shame you’re not, that’s why our country is where it is now.

PS- No need for the huge fonts, our eyes are just fine. It’s you who are apparently “blind”.


26 posted on 04/30/2008 6:15:31 AM PDT by Serb29 ("A nation that expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be")
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To: Serb29
It was my intention to allow this thread to quietly fade away, but since you have decided to jump in, I have decided to help you out. You will not like it, but it will be a valuable lesson, if you have any intellectual honesty.
You really don't know the truth about what went on...

Truth...” an excellent concept.

your ramblings about massacres and people being driven out of their homes...give me a break.

Massacres...” The ONLY mention of the word (until you mentioned it) was by BY, in #23. NOT me. Were there NO people “driven out of their homes?”

Propaganda may work on the ignorant,

Well then, BY must have assumed that there are a lot of “IGNORANT” people here on FR, because he posted an “Easter Greeting” which was wholly propaganda, and has added to that in practically every post.

but don't try and educate anyone without knowing the facts, especially when they themselves are searching for the real facts while you go with whatever is fed to you.

This IS a joke, right? You IMAGINE that you are “searching for the real facts,” but in reality, whatever “truth” you find will be forced to fit into the template of your particular ethnicity. “We are good and decent.... THEY are evil. THEY mass murdered our people, and stole ________. So, we have to devote ourselves to getting it back, no matter how many of us have to die, or how many of THEM we have to kill. Because THEY are evil, and God is telling us to do it.”

And, guess what. Every other ethnic group in the Balkans believes EXACTLY the SAME thing. Each faction has done enough badness to the other sides (over the last thousand or so years) that each can point to this invasion, that atrocity, the other.... and each side necessarily exaggerates the evil doing of the others, and minimizes their own.

The really funny thing is: this tribalism goes on all over the world. It is just that the Balkans is famous for it.

Find out how many innocent deaths those US-led bombings on Serbia caused before you start throwing around numbers here.

Numbers?” The ONLY number I used was the 2000 dead, which was kindly supplied by BY.

Find out why those Kosovars were evacuating, and who really forced them out. Find out what happened to those who tried to stay, and by whose hand it happened....then speak, and do so intelligently.

And, the answers to all those questions will depend entirely upon which faction is telling the legend. And, you will claim that I don't “speak... intelligently,” unless what I speak conforms to the template of YOUR particular ethnicity.

The funny thing is folks like yourself honestly believe that Serbs one day woke up and decided to start butchering people for no apparent reason, and you calmly accept and go with that ridiculous notion.

Of course, not. But you are willing to ATTRIBUTE that thought to ME, when, (if you had bothered to actually READ that which I wrote) you would know that it is not true. You just made it up. Because it fits your TEMPLATE.

You don't even once think that maybe there is more to this than you're being told.

Again, you have made up something (about me) which fits your template. Have YOU ever thought “that maybe there is more to this than you're being told?” That maybe the story YOU are being told might be distorted?

The reality is they (young Albanians led by militant Muslims who only want a foothold in Europe) tried to take that region over and were successful only due to the aid of the US (who also want a foothold in Europe).

There is probably some truth to that, but neither of us actually KNOWS the full truth of it.

So when Serbia, one of the US most loyal allies throughout history, sees us take the side of known terrorists....can you possibly fathom what that would feel like?

If you had bothered to read what I wrote, you would have seen that I have commented on that, already.

Don't try and make good Christian folks here feel bad by you siding with Muslims and saying it's our fault for not doing the same.
  1. Good Christian folk...” do not hate, and lie, and murder.

  2. And YOU just uttered an OUTRAGEOUS LIE, by claiming that I am “siding with Muslims and saying it's our fault for not doing the same.” It is so obvious, and downright stupid a lie that only the truly deranged would believe it. Is that who you are trying to influence?

Some of us here have spines.

So do sea urchins and porcupines. Neither is particularly endearing.

God doesn't hand anyone anything “on a silver platter”

It is hard for me to understand a Christian imagining that he has ANYTHING which was not a gift from God.

and if it comes down to living while being forced out of my country, my home, converting to Islam, possibly watching those I love being brutalized or killed vs. dying to try to prevent it....

You have me all confused, here. What country are you talking about? Serbia? Or America?

.I'm defending my family, my country, my beliefs and values...

Good for you. But, which country? Have the Muslims invaded America, and are they forcing us out?

a shame you're not,

There's another one of those idiot lies, again.

that's why our country is where it is now.

Again, which country do you mean?

PS- No need for the huge fonts, our eyes are just fine. It's you who are apparently “blind”.

Touche... You really got me there. (I just love this scintillating repartee!)

DG

p.s. You might do yourself a favor by asking someone with a military background what the word “DoorGunner” means.

27 posted on 04/30/2008 9:43:18 PM PDT by DoorGunner ( ...and so, all Israel will be saved.)
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To: Serb29; DoorGunner

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


28 posted on 04/30/2008 9:52:23 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Agreed.


29 posted on 04/30/2008 10:12:49 PM PDT by DoorGunner ( ...and so, all Israel will be saved.)
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To: DoorGunner

Continue living life with your blinders on, chief. When it happens here, just go with the flow and bust out your prayer rug. No one here said anything about killing “them” but you. My point was that Serbs should not have to change their lives and beliefs just because terrorists say so, but you once again haven’t a clue what the real deal is. Your mind is fixated on what you want the situation to be, thus no rationalizations or pointing out of blatant facts will sway you. Nothing to see here....move on. You continue to work real hard on figuring out templates, I’ll be out of the basement, dealing with the problem at hand. When something like 9/11 or what almost happened at Ft. Dix happens in your neighborhood, you’re going to have a lot of template reading to do.


30 posted on 04/30/2008 10:45:15 PM PDT by Serb29 ("A nation that expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be")
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