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To: Running On Empty
He saves us from our sins, not from our “ordinary human consciousness”.

I believe that sin is a result of current human consciousness. Therefore, when we learn and practice the lessons Jesus taught, our consciousness changes and our sins diminish. It certainly seems as though those who are trying to follow the teachings of Jesus sin less than those who don't.

85 posted on 11/17/2007 7:26:29 AM PST by Semper
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To: Semper

I can see that you are not “persuaded”, as you originally proposed that you could be. So I’m not going to be engaging in this thread or any more like it after this post.

Just as a closing thought: I don’t believe that sin is the result of “current human consciousness”. I do believe that sin visits itself on our conscience, in one form or another, whether it be by repentance, by denial of guilt, or some manifestation of mental unrest. But it is our conscience, and not our consciousness, that produces the inevitable response to the effects of our sins.

It is sin which is in need of redemption, not consciousness.

“...our consciousness changes and our sins diminish”

As our conscience convicts us of our transgressions, our sins cry out for redemption, and through the saving grace of the Cross, we are set free and our tendency to sin—one hopes—grows less and less powerful.

You appear to have remained unpersuaded about a number of things that you brought up for discussion. So I am disengaging from it all.


88 posted on 11/17/2007 8:38:54 AM PST by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words:"It's too late"))
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