Posted on 08/23/2007 10:14:33 PM PDT by Coleus
Sad. Missouri is the way to go if Lutheran.
I think a Missouri Synod Church would make us all go through Catechism again before they would accept any of us.
I’m too old to re-memorize Luther’s explanations of doctrine....
ELCA will be gone within ten years.
Leni
I think a Missouri Synod Church would make us all go through Catechism again before they would accept any of us.
Would that be a bad thing, just to make sure the refugees are up to speed?
“Satan, the god of all dissension stirs up daily new sects. And last of all which of all others I should never have foreseen or once suspected, he has raised up a sect such as teach that men should not be terrified by the law, but gently exhorted by the preaching of the grace of Christ.”
- Martin Luther
“don’t ask, don’t tell” practice
If a church has to have this policy, the problem isn’t with the congregation.
My belief is that Satan, not God, uses secrecy to work his ways.
This opinion makes me sick to my stomach, and is indicative of the sickness in my once beloved ELCA. I would like to have been in on those Bible studies that put the word of man above the word of God. On second thought, not.
I’m in an LCMC church right now that I love, a church organization that has taken in a lot of former ELCA members. It is much more mission oriented and not so narcissistically internally focued as representatives like these of the ELCA are.
The ELCA seems to be under the control of satan.
There’s a big difference between intending to be a celibate pastor and commiting a sin, and openly advocating homosexuality through one’s own actions. The problem is that the ECLA didn’t define “restraint,” and, in the climate of the United Church of Christ and The Episcopal Church’s turmoil, it’d be very easy for “excersizing restraint in diciplining” to be taken as “condoning anything.” Let’s not forget that the ECLA is in communion with the UCC and the TEC.
The vote seems not to be about exercising actual restraint, but rather boiling frogs: “We’ll allow the more liberal diocese in the ECLA to chose to permit anything they want, until their takeover is complete, and they can force actions apon the other dioceses, like we did in Episcopal Church.”
Some quotes make Luther seem duplicitous or not to smart. That he couldn’t foresee “a sect such as teach that men should not be terrified by the law, but gently exhorted by the preaching of the grace of Christ” is pretty shabby. Anti-nominalism was rife in his day in Germany, and he said much to fan its flames.
My guess is it'll merge with The Episcopal Church. They've already got federated (joint) congregations in Michigan and Florida, and have hot-swappable bishops.
No, ELCA will still be around. Following the 2009 Assembly blessing homosexual behavior among pastors and bishops, the revisionist homosexual lobby will breathe a sigh of relief and carry on as if nothing has happened. After the bulk of traditionalists leave, ELCA like TEC will be much reduced in number—but their concern is buildings and trust fund assets, not membership or evangelism.
“We allow gays and lesbians in our pulpits, but have expected them to abstain from sexual relationships, even if in a committed relationship comparable to marriage.”
One of Satan’s main goals — to counterfeit every good work of God.
That’s the point. I’m probably not going to be “up to speed” again. One of the things about growing old that I’m not too happy about...
Nominalism is a mathematical term? I can't figure out whether it means you're for or against the idea that there are no sets, functions, etc. [truths?]
If I was sure I’d be around in ten years I’d take a bet on the ELCA being around still, too.
I think it’s more likely that FreeRepublic will bite the dust before this branch of the Lutheran church in America gives up its “Lutheran” designation.
They mutate names every few decades, but they always retain the doctrinal foundation and name of Martin Luther.
LOL! I'll bet it seemed that way...
I understand the quote to mean, that much to his surprise, he was seeing it at the time.
Probably, there will be some review but I doubt there would be a complete Catechism. That was not my case, at all but then I went through Catechism before the American Lutheran Church became part of the ELCA.
Please contact your nearest LCMS. We did and couldn't be happier. This also seems to be the prevailing attitude of those former ELCA members who have gone to LCMS.
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