Most of the Protestants that I talk with here believe they are. Simply by being Calvinist, they know they are of the elect. And others? They speak the sinner's prayer 16 years ago, remembering it to the day as their day of eternal salvation. Thus, all of these Protestants consider themselves "saved". I do not know many Catholics who think that way...
That is why Rome ran to the Aramic (having no gender) to state that the word in the 'original' was not Petros, but Cephas.
Cephas means "rock" in Aramaic, correct? WHO IS CALLED CEPHAS in Scripture??? Jeez...
"Jesus appeared to Cephas and then to the twelve" Did Jesus appear to Himself in this passage? WHO ON EARTH WAS CEPHAS???
"and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship that we [should go] unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision" Gal 2:9. Do you contend that James, Jesus, and John are whom Paul is speaking of?
Cephas is Peter is Simon. How can you be so confused? What does this have to do with some Roman conspiracy?
The church did not give us the words of God, the Holy Spirit did.
Keep going, you're on the right track...HOW did He give them to us?
What part of 'without works' do you not understand?
Listen. Don't be such a wise-guy. You aren't thinking very well. Slow down before you continue making ridiculous statements... Just because it says "we are saved by faith without works", that doesn't mean "we are saved by faith ALONE". The English language does NOT require "ALONE" in this case. Paul could very well mean "we are saved by faith without works of the law, but by faith AND LOVE". The ONLY thing Paul disqualifies is "works of the law", not love, not repentance, not ANYTHING BUT WORKS OF THE LAW. Sadly, that is how you read the Scriptures. You add your own words as you go. Read 1 Cor 13:3 and tell me all about faith alone... Paul NEVER says we are saved by faith alone. I hope that is clear now.
It teaches anti-Catholic doctrine, it teaches Christian freedom in Christ, through faith alone.
LOL! See above. Listen, if you want to engage in an intelligent conversation, I would be happy to do so. But you are going to have to drop the attitude and the condescension towards Catholics. I can read Scripture. I have read it. And I find Protestantism wanting on several major fronts. If you wish to discuss this, fine. But you better do better than above, because they aren't going to cut it. I got a lot of other things to do than refute these sloppy arguments.
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Well, for good reason, for Catholics mix faith with works, which means they are not saved.
So what good is appealing to Matthew 18 for church discipline if the people in it are not saved?
See 1Cor.6.
That is why Rome ran to the Aramic (having no gender) to state that the word in the 'original' was not Petros, but Cephas. Cephas means "rock" in Aramaic, correct? WHO IS CALLED CEPHAS in Scripture??? Jeez...
Not in Matthew 16 he isn't!
"Jesus appeared to Cephas and then to the twelve" Did Jesus appear to Himself in this passage? WHO ON EARTH WAS CEPHAS???
He is not called that in Matthew 16, he is called Petros.
Peter had three, not two.
God the Holy Spirit chose to call him Petros in Matthew 16, not Cephas.
Just to confound the future Romanists no doubt.
"and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship that we [should go] unto the Gentiles, and they unto the circumcision" Gal 2:9. Do you contend that James, Jesus, and John are whom Paul is speaking of?
Is that Matthew 16?
that thou art Petros.
It was said in Greek, not Aramaic, just as Cephas is Aramaic not Greek and it is given in those other passages as such.
Cephas is Peter is Simon. How can you be so confused? What does this have to do with some Roman conspiracy?
Who said anything about a Roman conspiracy.
Just Roman confusion.
Petros is Greek and Cephas is Aramaic.
Petros is the word used in Matthew not Cephas, despite the fact that it is used elsewhere in Aramic.
The church did not give us the words of God, the Holy Spirit did. Keep going, you're on the right track...HOW did He give them to us?
Through Apostles and prophets, both of which are no longer among us.
What part of 'without works' do you not understand? Listen. Don't be such a wise-guy. You aren't thinking very well. Slow down before you continue making ridiculous statements... Just because it says "we are saved by faith without works", that doesn't mean "we are saved by faith ALONE". The English language does NOT require "ALONE" in this case. Paul could very well mean "we are saved by faith without works of the law, but by faith AND LOVE". The ONLY thing Paul disqualifies is "works of the law", not love, not repentance, not ANYTHING BUT WORKS OF THE LAW. Sadly, that is how you read the Scriptures. You add your own words as you go. Read 1 Cor 13:3 and tell me all about faith alone... Paul NEVER says we are saved by faith alone. I hope that is clear now.
LOL!
That is the most confluted defense I ever heard.
It is by faith that one has love (walks in the Spirit)(2Cor.5), so the two (faith and love) always go together.
The Roman Catholic system of 'works'(Sacraments) have nothing to do with 1Cor.13 or Gal.5 (fruits of the spirit).
It teaches anti-Catholic doctrine, it teaches Christian freedom in Christ, through faith alone. LOL! See above. Listen, if you want to engage in an intelligent conversation, I would be happy to do so. But you are going to have to drop the attitude and the condescension towards Catholics. I can read Scripture. I have read it. And I find Protestantism wanting on several major fronts. If you wish to discuss this, fine. But you better do better than above, because they aren't going to cut it. I got a lot of other things to do than refute these sloppy arguments.
The Book of Galatians is the Magna Carta of Christian freedom against the legalism of Rome and others who would add works to faith.
So, once again, those verses that I gave you that stressed faith without works are very clear, no man can do anything to be saved accept the free gift of salvation which comes by faith. (Rom.5:1,6:23)