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To: fortheDeclaration
The churches were local assemblies composed of people who may or may not be Christians.

Think of what you are saying...If I have a problem that CANNOT be resolved among us, I am to take it to an assembly that "may or may not be Christian"? I am supposed to submit my obedience in their judgment on the issue to them? LOL!

As for the Aramic nonsense, you had to go to that myth since even the Latin did not help you out with that verse.

Are you going to explain the word "Kephas" or not?

Peter states that the Rock is Christ (1Pe.2:8).

Different context. Why are YOU calling Simon a rock?

The Church is built on Christ (1Cor.3:11)

Does it say "but not Simon Peter"?

Salvation doesn't come from any organized church, salvation comes from the words of God (Rom.10:17, 1Pe.1:23).

Salvation comes THROUGH the Church, not FROM the Church. You wouldn't have the Word of God, now, would you, without the Church?

Amen, Paul did share the same Gospel as the Apostles, which was by Faith alone, in Christ alone.

You have read the Scriptures through over and over and you believe that? Where does the Scripture say we are saved by faith ALONE? What nonsense.

A Roman Catholic appealing to the Book of Galatians!

Why wouldn't I? It is inspired Scripture, just as much as any other book. It teaches Catholic Doctrine. I don't have problems with Galatians, when read in light of the Church's teachings.

Regards

196 posted on 02/08/2006 4:59:20 AM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus
The churches were local assemblies composed of people who may or may not be Christians. Think of what you are saying...If I have a problem that CANNOT be resolved among us, I am to take it to an assembly that "may or may not be Christian"? I am supposed to submit my obedience in their judgment on the issue to them? LOL!

That is why we have adult water Baptism, to insure (as best we can) that the local church is composed of individual Christians.

The fact is that a local church well may be composed of unbelievers as well as believers.

You think everyone in a church is saved?

As for the Aramic nonsense, you had to go to that myth since even the Latin did not help you out with that verse. Are you going to explain the word "Kephas" or not?

Why do I need to explain 'Cephas' when that was not what was used in Matthew 16:18, Petros was used.

Since Petros is masculine and 'Petra' is neuter (upon this rock, I will build my church) Christ could not have been referring to Peter as being the 'Rock' upon which the church is built.

That is why Rome ran to the Aramic (having no gender) to state that the word in the 'original' was not Petros, but Cephas.

That Peter had a name in Aramic is not relevant to the question of what is being said in Matthew 16:18.

Peter states that the Rock is Christ (1Pe.2:8). Different context. Why are YOU calling Simon a rock?

I am not calling Simon a rock.

Literally his name (Petro) means 'a small stone', so maybe we should call him 'pebbles'.

Peter was part of that large Rock, which is Christ.

That was based on his confession of faith in Him. (Matthew 16:16)

The Church is built on Christ (1Cor.3:11) Does it say "but not Simon Peter"?

It doesn't have to, Peter states who the church is built on (1Pe.2:8) and never once does he point to himself as being that Rock.

He knew who the Rock was, you ought to listen to him and follow the real Rock, the Lord Jesus Christ, not the faker in Rome.

Salvation doesn't come from any organized church, salvation comes from the words of God (Rom.10:17, 1Pe.1:23). Salvation comes THROUGH the Church, not FROM the Church. You wouldn't have the Word of God, now, would you, without the Church?

The church did not give us the words of God, the Holy Spirit did.

He also gave us individual spiritual gifts that recognized the New Testament scriptures as being from Him.

Salvation gets you into the Church (spiritual body of Christ) but comes by the hearing and believing the words of God (1Thess. 2:13)

Amen, Paul did share the same Gospel as the Apostles, which was by Faith alone, in Christ alone. You have read the Scriptures through over and over and you believe that? Where does the Scripture say we are saved by faith ALONE? What nonsense.

Well, you must never have read Rom.4:5, Gal.2:16, Eph.2:8-9, Tit.3:5?

What part of 'without works' do you not understand?

A Roman Catholic appealing to the Book of Galatians! Why wouldn't I? It is inspired Scripture, just as much as any other book. It teaches Catholic Doctrine. I don't have problems with Galatians, when read in light of the Church's teachings.

It teaches anti-Catholic doctrine, it teaches Christian freedom in Christ, through faith alone.

The Galatians were going back to Jewish rituals to add to their faith, but were rebuked by Paul for doing so.

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would prevert the gospel of Christ. But though we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than we have preached unto you, let him be accursed....I do not frustrate the grace of God, for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain (Gal.1:7-8,2:21)

That last verse in chapter 2 came after Paul rebuked Peter for going back to the Law. (Gal.2:11) Regards

Likewise.

197 posted on 02/08/2006 1:20:09 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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