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To: jo kus; RnMomof7; xzins
Wonderful!! Can you point me to the Church Christ refers to in Matthew 16 and 18? If I have a problem with another Christian, where can I find "the Church" if it is invisible ONLY??? We disagree on the Scriptural teaching of the Eucharist. How can we ever find out the truth? There is only one correct stance - we both cannot be correct. Good thing there is a visible Church in where we can learn the correct answer...

The church discussed in Matthew 16 is the organization that is built on faith in Christ who is the Rock (1Pe.2:8) and the only foundation for the true church (1Cor.3:11).

Those churches are local, not united under any human head or gov't.

The spiritual church (made up of all those who believe in the saving work of Christ) is revealed by Paul, to whom alone it was revealed (Eph.3:3) and who revealed it to Peter (2Pe.3:15-16)

158 posted on 02/06/2006 12:52:53 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Gal. 4:16)
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To: fortheDeclaration

The new testament demonstrates that the churches are connected and that there is something similar to a chain of authority.


160 posted on 02/06/2006 1:00:26 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The church discussed in Matthew 16 is the organization that is built on faith in Christ who is the Rock (1Pe.2:8) and the only foundation for the true church

Sir, how can a human organization be invisible? Do you realize what you are saying when you write things? By the way, who is called "Kephas - Rock in Aramaic" in the New Testament? Jesus or Simon PETER? Boy, those "Christians" were a confused bunch, they couldn't even figure out why they called Simon "Kephas"....

Those churches are local, not united under any human head or gov't.

They shared the same faith, the same baptism, the same loaf, and the same leadership. Yes, brother, they were united in the faith under the leadership of the Apostles. That is quite clear in the New Testament.

The spiritual church (made up of all those who believe in the saving work of Christ) is revealed by Paul, to whom alone it was revealed (Eph.3:3) and who revealed it to Peter (2Pe.3:15-16)

I don't find ANYWHERE in the NT that denies a visible organization of believers. You foist that interpretation onto Scriptures when it is just not there. Paul shared the SAME Gospel as the other Apostles. He didn't teach a different Gospel - if you read Galatians chapter one, you'd see that.

Regards

169 posted on 02/06/2006 3:44:19 PM PST by jo kus
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