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To: jo kus; RnMomof7

The question about the church being comprised of the saved is something with which we would agree...all of us I hope. Rnmom has reduced the equation to its simplest form.

The saved are those who believe in Jesus Christ. There are no saved who are unbelievers; there are no unbelievers who are saved.

I do not think the bible supports the notion that baptism confers salvation. An unbelieving atheist gets as much benefit from baptism as does a duck from a good roasting.

Both will be consumed.

By grace we are saved through faith....


142 posted on 02/06/2006 11:28:51 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins; RnMomof7
The saved are those who believe in Jesus Christ. There are no saved who are unbelievers; there are no unbelievers who are saved.

I think we've been down this highway before. I am led to believe that an unbeliever is one who REJECTS Christ, knowing His claim. Thus, a person who has never heard of Christ cannot be an "unbeliever" in that sense. Here is the simplest sense of who will be saved:

He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. 1 John 5:12

Furthermore:

And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 1 John 4:16

I do not think the bible supports the notion that baptism confers salvation. An unbelieving atheist gets as much benefit from baptism as does a duck from a good roasting.

Baptism presumes that one is willingly accepting the notion of what it is meant to do - it is a sacrament of faith which erases sin. Being freed from sin is the formula of salvation, is it not? Baptism is for the remission of sin.

Regards

148 posted on 02/06/2006 11:46:40 AM PST by jo kus
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