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Holiness is Not an Option! (Tozer)
I Call It Heresy! ^ | A. W. Tozer

Posted on 04/05/2005 8:31:44 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day

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A long read, but insightful and well worth it.
1 posted on 04/05/2005 8:31:44 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day
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Hebrews 12:14-- 14Make every effort to live in peace with all men and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.


2 posted on 04/05/2005 8:39:01 PM PDT by kingattax
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Tozer mentions that scripture in his sermon. It's pretty sobering. Sometimes it's just hard to "live in peace" with fellow FReepers on the Religion Forum.

:o)


3 posted on 04/05/2005 8:43:37 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (DUmmie "reality": "Dennis Kucinich may may the last hope for sanity in this nation.")
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yes it is sobering. the Lord is coming back soon. Jesus told us to be watchful and ready.


4 posted on 04/05/2005 8:48:33 PM PDT by kingattax
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OK. You attemp to be holy. I'll plead the Blood of Christ.


5 posted on 04/05/2005 9:27:22 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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As you (and I) absolutely should. It is only through the blood and grace of Christ that we will be saved from eternal damnation. His grace, and His grace alone, is sufficient to get me to heaven.

But that does not negate the slew of commandments throughout the scriptures that I am to strive to be like Christ and strive to become holy. Not for my salvation, of course, but so that I don't feel out of place in His Kingdom. And so that I don't waste my days in mortality. And so I show my love and gratitude to Christ for His mercy and forgiveness. It is silly to say that, just because Christ's blood atoned for our sins, we are not supposed to draw nearer to Him, and that we are under no further obligation to Him. We are to be His disciples. Disciples follow their Master, and strive to emulate.

Dallas Willard said it well:

This 'heresy' has created the impression that it is quite reasonable to be a "vampire Christian." One in effect says to Jesus: "I'd like a little of your blood, please. But I don't care to be your student or have your character. In fact, won't you just excuse me while I get on with my life, and I'll see you in heaven." But can we really imagine that this is an approach that Jesus finds acceptable?

And when you stop to think of it, how could one actually trust him for forgiveness of sins while not trusting him for much more than that. You can't trust him without believing that he was right about everything, and that he alone has the key to every aspect of our lives here on earth. But if you believe that, you will naturally want to stay just as close to him as you can, in every aspect of your life. --Dallas Willard

6 posted on 04/05/2005 9:42:19 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (DUmmie "reality": "Dennis Kucinich may may the last hope for sanity in this nation.")
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I don't hear a saying about Heaven as much as I did when I was young, but I still believe it: "We're going to be surprised by who's there - and who's not there."


7 posted on 04/05/2005 9:52:10 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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Considering my misspent youth, I imagine I'll hear more than once, "Hey! Who let YOU in here?"


8 posted on 04/05/2005 9:58:02 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (DUmmie "reality": "Dennis Kucinich may may the last hope for sanity in this nation.")
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He knows every heart. And he loves some cigar-chomping, whiskey drinking types more than some of the prigs and phonies. Stuff you did and stuff I did are as far away as the East is from the West - "and there ain't no East and West poles."


9 posted on 04/05/2005 10:06:09 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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My experience is that the Power of Christ has transformed me in many ways. I'm not nearly the sinner I once was. But my sin nature is intact and vibrant. The old man never disappears. I've been around Christians trying to be holy and I don't like it. I'd rather be alone.

I advise Christians to have faith in the Power of Jesus Christ and that it is in you. He WILL change you and give you strength. You don't have to do it by your own strength.

I believe it is a man's revelation of his sin nature that makes him willing to come to Christ. If you then turn round and tell him he has to be good ... you set him up to fail. He knows he isn't good. He knows it all too well. If he is told he has to be holy he would laugh in your face if of the confrontive sort ... or just arrange to stay out of your way from then on. Or ... actually try it and fail.

This is a difficult subject. I'm so leery of anything that smacks of a 'works doctrine' I cannot abide telling fallen human beings that they are to be holy.
Peter was always spouting some silliness.


10 posted on 04/05/2005 11:16:56 PM PDT by mercy (never again a patsy for Bill Gates - spyware and viri free for over a year now)
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This site is getting better every day. Tozer, Francis A. Schaeffer , and Dallas Willard, it is almost as good as the first cup of coffee and Vivaldi's "Four Seasons".


11 posted on 04/06/2005 7:10:31 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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Oh, don't get me started on Vivaldi. God's gift to music.


12 posted on 04/06/2005 7:52:55 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (DUmmie "reality": "Dennis Kucinich may may the last hope for sanity in this nation.")
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Thank you for posting this!


13 posted on 04/06/2005 8:42:05 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed it.


14 posted on 04/06/2005 8:53:39 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (DUmmie "reality": "Dennis Kucinich may may the last hope for sanity in this nation.")
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Thank you for the beautiful, devotional post.
I believe that often, when "holiness" and "obedience" are brought up, it brings out a negative reaction. Often, the reaction comes from the experience of being around Christians who practiced preferences over precepts.

Christian integrity comes from being not "trying to be." God is Holy, we are to be holy.

Romans 12:1,2: I beseech you therefore, brethen, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

15 posted on 04/06/2005 9:06:59 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (We love Him because He first loved us. 1John 4:19)
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I also think we discount the notion of grace. Some think grace only has to do with God's forgiveness of our sins that ultimately lets us in heaven despite our imperfection.

Yet God tells us repeatedly we are to be holy and obedient while in this life. Problem: we all sin, we all fall short of God's glory. We are still expected to strive, to do our best to emulate Christ, and Christ rewards our eforts with His grace. His grace makes up what we lack and helps us be holy.

Of course we can't do everything by ourselves. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't do ANYTHING. We do what we can, and Crist lifts us up and helps us along. Why else would we have the gifts of the spirit?


16 posted on 04/06/2005 9:13:37 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (DUmmie "reality": "Dennis Kucinich may may the last hope for sanity in this nation.")
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His grace makes up what we lack and helps us be holy.

Exactly. Just as we cannot be forgiven through our own efforts, we cannot become holy through our own efforts. Only through the power of God and the workings of His Holy Spirit can we grow in holiness.

Right now we are becoming the person we will be for all eternity. Why would anyone choose to stay where he is right now and just wait for the afterlife? We can experience so much more of God right here, right now. We can experience the Kingdom of God before we die.
17 posted on 04/06/2005 9:30:16 AM PDT by halieus (God cannot give us a happiness and peace apart from Himself, because it is not there.)
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I've been around Christians trying to be holy and I don't like it.

What does a "Christian trying to be holy" look like to you? Perhaps you've only seen Christians "trying to be holier than thou?"

I've seen many Christians trying to be holy -- they have deeply impacted me with their humility, sincerity, love and submission to God.
18 posted on 04/06/2005 9:33:23 AM PDT by halieus (God cannot give us a happiness and peace apart from Himself, because it is not there.)
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Amen.


19 posted on 04/06/2005 9:35:02 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (DUmmie "reality": "Dennis Kucinich may may the last hope for sanity in this nation.")
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Quite often on this forum, Ephesians 2:8,9 are talked/argued about, but look at Ephesians 2:10:

"For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them."

What does Paul mean?

Look at 1 Corinthians 9:24, "Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it."

What does Paul mean?

We really don't do anything by ourselves, we only do what we should be doing when we are obedient, and to live a life of integrity brings reward.

20 posted on 04/06/2005 9:39:34 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (We love Him because He first loved us. 1John 4:19)
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