CHRISTIANS AMONG MONGOL INVADERS (of Japan)

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[blam]

Read about the migration of the Hakka People. They migrated from the north to the south in 3-5 different migrations. The Hakka that exibited Caucasian features were discriminated against terribly during these migrations...many, many were executed along the way just because of their features.

"The third Hakka migration came to pass around the end of the Northern Song and the beginning of the Ming Dynasties. The Mongolians took control of the Central Plains and the Royal Song Household fled south. The Hakkas that had previously settled down in southern Jiangxi and southern Fujian escorted the Song royal household as it fled to eastern and northern Guangdong Province. They fought bravely and many died courageously in battles with the Mongolian armies."

[blam]

Japan's first line of defense against the Mongol invasion were the Samurai, a tall/big Caucasian appearing people, read this: The Samurai And The Ainu

"The eye of the predicted storm will be the Ainu, a "racially different" group of some 18,000 people now living on the northern island of Hokkaido. Pure-blooded Ainu are easy to spot: they have lighter skin, more body hair, and higher-bridged noses than most Japanese."

I was encouraged about accuracy when I went to see the movie, The Last Samurai, and he was one of the tallest guys in the movie.

[blam]

"My brother dragged me to that movie. "

LOL. My son 'dragged' me and I suspect it's because the girls tell him he looks like Tom Cruise. (But, I didn't say anything.)

[Destro]

it's called a typo and your knowledge of history is retared. The Mongols had Christians within their tribes at least 100 years before Gengis Khan rose to power - maybe even earlier.

[Destro]

Various members of the Mongol Court, including Sorghaghtani Beki, were Nestorian Christians. While the court was nominally Buddhist and maintained a policy of being open to all religions, it was known as particularly sympathetic to Christians (which may have helped contribute to the legend of Prester John). In 1253 the court followed the suggestion from Crusader Kingdoms in Syria to attack the Muslim capitals of Baghdad and Cairo. Baghdad was conquered and sacked in 1258, with the city's Christians spared, and the Abbasid caliph killed.

Khubilai Khan's mother, Sorghaghtani was a Nestorian Christian. When Khubilai Khan was in China, it was his mother's Christian faith that prompted him to assist the small Nestorian community there.

[Quix]

That would depend on a lot of factors.

Hard to make such a flat statement accurately without a lot more data.

In such cultures and times, being a Christian might well have been a challenging thing to do--especially authentically. Not usually something taken up lightly.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Blam, I'll ping the list in a few minutes.

http://www.answers.com/topic/nestorianism

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"Nestorian" Christianity reached China by 635, and its relics can still be seen in Chinese cities such as Xi'an. About the same time Nestorian Christianity penetrated into Mongolia, eventually reaching as far as Korea. The Nestorian Stele, set up on 7 January 781 at the then-capital of Chang'an, describes the introduction of Christianity into China from Persia in the reign of Tang Taizong.

The Christian community later faced persecution from Emperor Tang Wu Zong (reigned 840-846). He suppressed all foreign religions, including Buddhism and Christianity, which then declined sharply in China. A Syrian monk visiting China a few decades later described many churches in ruin. Marco Polo in the 1200s and other medieval Western writers indicate many small Nestorian communities remaining in China and Mongolia; however, they clearly were not as vibrant as they had been during Tang times. The legacy of the missionaries remains in the Assyrian churches still to be found in Iraq, Iran, and India.

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[GoLightly]

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/ncd01962.htm

The introduction of Christianity into China has been ascribed to Saint Thomas and Saint Bartholomew. The disciples of Nestorius, spreading their heresy through Asia after the condemnation of their leader, 431, are supposed to have reached China in the 7th century, a theory based on the Singanfu inscription found c.1623.

[GoLightly]

I don't think there was any army of that time that didn't do the rape & pillaging thing, including those of European "Christian" kings.

[Bellflower]

Destro, I am not sure of your history but your attitude certainly could seem to need work. You sound abrasive, prideful and just all around not very endearing. Maybe it's just the way you come off and you are a nice person. If you have knowledge can you not afford to be humble in your quest to share it?

[MattinNJ]

BTT for later reading.

[Destro]

Someonw responds to this post with words like How utterly asinine! and I am to suffer the fool? Someone who did not even know that Kubalai Khan's very own mother was a Nestorian Christian can't fathom Christians in the Mongol camp? I stand by my statement which was less harsh than his.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Pure-blooded Ainu are easy to spot: they have lighter skin, more body hair, and higher-bridged noses than most Japanese."

They are also markedly taller than other Japanese (or perhaps you already said that). I remember watching a parade in Japan in 1983 and there were Ainu participating in the parade. I don't remember the occasion. They looked like basketball players.

[blam]

"They are also markedly taller than other Japanese (or perhaps you already said that). I remember watching a parade in Japan in 1983 and there were Ainu participating in the parade. I don't remember the occasion. They looked like basketball players."

Kennewick Man and some others are believed to be Ainu. In fact, some fragmented DNA obtained from KM points in that direction...they appear to be the first North Americans.