[American in Israel]

Well, the case is pretty clear at this point that the United States told the Israeli's that they had no ship in the area before the attack, and the tapes just released show the Israeli planes radioing back disputing that it was an Egyptian ship. If the IDA were attacking a known American ship, why would they be arguing if it was an American ship or not on their radios?

At this point Israel is pretty clearly been exonerated, and to go on ignoring the mountain of evidence to say they deliberately did it is set of loaded dice.

Perhaps you should discuss why the United states bombed the Canadians in Afghanistan, it is a bit more recent... Stuff happens in war, it is called the fog of war. Some people seem to never be able to clear the fog even after the war, or is it that they do not want too.

Must be a Beelzebub thing.

[aristeides]

When I was in a U.S. Air Force signals intelligence unit in Berlin in the 1970's, we officially did not exist. The Russians, of course, were well aware that we were there. Our nonexistence was a diplomatic fiction.

I suspect that the supposed absence of the Liberty from the Med in 1967 was the same sort of diplomatic lie. And the Israelis would have been well aware of the need to take U.S. government denials of the presence of any ships with the requisite several grains of salt.

[beelzepug]

Well, let's see.....big, gray ship, broad daylight, American flag, lots of non-Arab-looking sailors on deck, or.....some unidentified guys, at night, in the dark, no flag. What does FOX say..."We report, you decide?" And please spare me the "YOU HATE ISRAEL" crap. It ain't true and it gets real old.

[beelzepug]

Oh, and the name is "BeelzePUG", after my little ornery dog. You misread that, too!