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Polygamists see open door for acceptance
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, July 4, 2003 | Ron Strom

Posted on 07/04/2003 12:12:36 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

"Polygamy is the next civil-rights battle."

That's the new battle cry of proponents of "Christian polygamy" who say their lifestyle is one step closer to being accepted after the Supreme Court's controversial decision last week invalidating state sodomy laws.

A website set up for media to get information about the pro-polygamy movement enthusiastically hails the Lawrence v. Texas decision, quoting from the majority opinion that Americans now have "... the full right to engage in private conduct without government intervention."

As WorldNetDaily reported, critics of the decision believe the court has usurped the role of lawmakers, establishing a far-reaching precedent that threatens any law based on moral choices, including incest and polygamy.

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia includes examples of non-traditional marriages in his dissenting opinion, saying laws against the practice are now open to review.

Scalia talks of "state laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality and obscenity," saying "every single one of these laws is called into question by [the Lawrence] decision."

Said the polygamy website: "Obviously, this [decision] means enormous ramifications for the civil rights of adult, freely-consenting, marriage-committed polygamists."

The site links to a much more extensive site called TruthBearer.org, a page dedicated to promoting "Christian polygamy."

It's introductory page states, "As preached here at this ministry, Christian polygamy is only about life-long-committed (hence, NONpromiscuous), consensual, NONabusive, loving Christian marriage. The only educational matter here is that this is about men ever-growing in other-centered, ministerial, giving, selfless love in marriage to more than one woman (as Christ so selflessly and givingly loves the Churches)."

The organizers say their aim is not to legalize polygamy, but merely to decriminalize it. They don't believe government has any role whatsoever in regulating marriage.

A link to biblicalpolygamy.com presents what its creators claim are reasons that "polygamy really is biblical."

Another site on "Christian polygamy" (which appears to have been created by those who established TruthBearer.org) states:

"Only a few short years ago, the mere suggestion of putting the words 'Christian' and 'polygamy' beside each other as one term would have been laughed at. It would have been called a 'contradiction in terms' and an 'oxymoron.'

"But no one is laughing anymore.

"After much patient prayer, love, and work by committed Christ-centered, Spirit-led, Scripture-believing evangelical conservative Christians, from all kinds of different denominational backgrounds, the Truth is being believed and spread to others! Christian polygamy has become a reality and is now being taken very seriously in a number of spheres of influence."

The Rev. Jerry Falwell, WorldNetDaily columnist and nationally known Christian minister, spoke strongly against the practice of having multiple wives, telling WND: "Christian polygamy is an oxymoron." Falwell condemned the Lawrence ruling, saying it opened the door to "bestiality, pedophilia, even drug use" in the privacy of one's home.

TruthBearer.org, based in Old Orchard Beach, Maine, was founded by Mark Henkel in 1994.

"You are speaking to a diehard constitutional conservative," Henkel told WorldNetDaily, saying his support for the Lawrence v. Texas decision and polygamy is in line with the framers of the Constitution.

"My fellow conservatives are making a terrible mistake" by condemning the ruling, he said. "They are reacting like knee-jerk liberals."

Henkel compared marriage to Social Security, citing some conservatives' desire to privatize the government retirement program.

"Why not privatize marriage?" he asked rhetorically. "Why is big government a part of marriage?"

Henkel says marriage in the Bible is never linked to government and that today, the feds should not be able to dictate to Americans: "You're only allowed one wife."

Christians who believe the state should regulate marriage, he says, "are trusting in the false god of socialist government."

Referring to the sodomy case, Henkel told WND: "Lawrence v. Texas has kicked open a whole new door for us."

He says the ruling effectively voided every anti-polygamy law on the books, assuring that "whatever consenting adults choose to do" is permissible.

TruthBearer.org's strategy, says Henkel, is to persuade "conservative, Bible-believing Christians" of the appropriateness and superiority of polygamy. When they are won over, Henkel says the liberal "tolerance-oriented" people will then come into line.

While Henkel uses the polygamy of biblical patriarchs as part of his defense of the practice, Falwell says those Old Testament men were sinning by taking multiple wives.

"The Bible very clearly condemns Christian polygamy," he said. "[The Old Testament patriarchs] all did it in defiance of the Word of God. … God's plan was Adam and Eve – not Adam and Steve, and not Adam and several Eves."

Henkel's movement is clear to point out that its philosophy is not based on historic Mormon polygamy: "Christian polygamy is not Mormon polygamy. The two have two distinctly separate foundational reasons and two distinctly separate histories. They draw no basis from each other."


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To: JohnHuang2
As LDS many of us too are as concern about this latest ruling from the courts.

In the last couple of days in the NYC news all kinds of mini havoc is breaking out!

White power left in the subway car looking like Amtacks and tell the MTA to go to hell.

A plane crashes close to a refinery in NJ

20 fires have been started when folks are asleep in Wash. D,C, it seem the house is laced with gas and than set a frie so far none have lost their life!

It is sad the nation is losing because of the enemy with in.

21 posted on 07/04/2003 10:56:20 AM PDT by restornu
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To: JohnHuang2; Torie
Here they come!

Happy Independence Day guys.

22 posted on 07/04/2003 10:58:28 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Many people here believe that childrena and animals can give legal consent. Strange!

On the polygamy thing, I get dibs on Charley's Angels.

23 posted on 07/04/2003 10:59:57 AM PDT by breakem
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To: JohnHuang2
Look for Muslims to bring a case to court, arguing that laws against polygamy unduly constrict their religious rights
24 posted on 07/04/2003 11:03:07 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer looking for next gig)
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To: jwalsh07
He says the ruling effectively voided every anti-polygamy law on the books, assuring that "whatever consenting adults choose to do" is permissible.

"He" is an idiot. I will let you know when the legal elites decide polygamy has cachet. It is simply wonderful the power "we" now have (before it was simply great, now it is close to omnipotently omnipresent). It is great to be an American, but greater still to be an elite legal community member American, who has had his taxes slashed. It has been an absolutely splendid year so far.

25 posted on 07/04/2003 11:06:28 AM PDT by Torie
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To: jwalsh07
Oh yes, happy 4th to you and your cherished wife, and no doubt robust grandkids, as well.
26 posted on 07/04/2003 11:08:05 AM PDT by Torie
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To: tiamat
No, it wasn't the Kingston family in Utah. I remember the TV stories about them.

The guy I was thinking of wasn't part of a large, Kingston type, famiily. He had a job, everyone lived together in the same house, but he WAS getting some government assistance. He's serving prison time right now for bigamy.

The point is that in the TV interviews all the wives were adults and none were forced into marriage. They volunteered. So, given the high courts ruling about privacy I wondered how that ruling would effect consensual polygamy especially in Utah.

Polygamy was part of the Mormon faith, and if marriage is redefined then I'd expect the Mormons to reintroduce polygamy to their faith.
27 posted on 07/04/2003 11:16:47 AM PDT by Noachian (Legislation without Representation has no place in a free Republic)
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To: Noachian
I'd expect the Mormons to reintroduce polygamy to their faith.

I think not. Mormanism has shed a lot over the years that it is not ever going back to. JMO.

28 posted on 07/04/2003 11:19:56 AM PDT by Torie
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To: Noachian
I'm not familiar with the case you are talking about then.

Interesting and thankyou for telling me!

Tia

29 posted on 07/04/2003 11:20:06 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: Torie
Don't be naive.
30 posted on 07/04/2003 11:27:59 AM PDT by Wrigley
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To: Utah Girl
What do you think?
31 posted on 07/04/2003 11:28:53 AM PDT by Torie
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To: breakem
breakem wrote:

On the polygamy thing, I get dibs on Charley's Angels.

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LOL!

So I guess this means I can have more than one husband?

You know, one who can cook, one who can fix stuff, one who's a "hottie" and looks good in a speedo.......

The possibilities are endless!

Tia

32 posted on 07/04/2003 11:32:39 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: SauronOfMordor
There are LOTs of Muslims in this area with more than one wife.... they just refer to "My wife's sister" a lot......

Tia

33 posted on 07/04/2003 11:35:00 AM PDT by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: Torie; Utah Girl; White Mountain; Grig
No matter what kind of laws the world authories those who follow Jesus Christ obey/listen to the Lord.
34 posted on 07/04/2003 11:58:41 AM PDT by restornu
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To: Torie
"He" is an idiot

LOL

35 posted on 07/04/2003 12:08:13 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: breakem
CA's...........

First set or second set???
36 posted on 07/04/2003 12:14:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Any misspellings are caused by a sticky keyboard!! [that darn ol' Coke!])
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To: Torie
I think not. Mormanism has shed a lot over the years that it is not ever going back to. JMO.

Ha!

If their 'Living Prophet' gets a 'word' and the rest of the yesmen ok it, by golly, it has thundered from Heaven, and the rank&file better fall in line, or else Headquarters will say you are NOT Mormon (Oops: LDS).
(That's what they claim about the Mormon fundies, anyway)
37 posted on 07/04/2003 12:17:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Any misspellings are caused by a sticky keyboard!! [that darn ol' Coke!])
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To: tiamat

What!?

Ya mean I'd have to do it ALL???
38 posted on 07/04/2003 12:18:47 PM PDT by Elsie (Any misspellings are caused by a sticky keyboard!! [that darn ol' Coke!])
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To: restornu
No matter what kind of laws the world authories those who follow Jesus Christ obey/listen to the Lord.

AFTER Headquarters speaks, of course..............


If you get a conflicting, heartwarming 'message', what's a girl to do???
Just look at how hard it was for poor ol' Emma to take the FIRST 'revelation' of polygamy!!!

[And, it's SCRIPTURE!!!]

39 posted on 07/04/2003 12:22:36 PM PDT by Elsie (Any misspellings are caused by a sticky keyboard!! [that darn ol' Coke!])
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To: JohnHuang2
I really don't see how, if there's a constitutional right for a man to stick his penis in another man's anus, there can not be a right to polygamy as well, as long as its private and consensual. Nor prostitution. In fact, I don't see how the state can interfere with me if I want to privately grow pot in my bedroom.
40 posted on 07/04/2003 12:22:47 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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