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Bush's top cultural adviser steps down over looting of Iraqi museum
AFP ^ | Apr. 17, 2003

Posted on 04/17/2003 10:45:31 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Martin Sullivan, the head of President George W. Bush (news - web sites)'s cultural advisory committee, stepped down this week in protest over the United States failing to stop the looting of Baghdad's museum.

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In a letter to Bush dated Monday, Sullivan said he was resigning as chairman of the President's Advisory Committee on Cultural Property, a position he had held since 1995.

"The reports in recent days about the looting of Iraq (news - web sites)'s National Museum of Antiquities and the destruction of countless artifacts that document the cradle of Western civilization have troubled me deeply, a feeling that is shared by many other Americans," he wrote.

Calling the looting a "tragedy," Sullivan said that it was not prevented "due to our nation's inaction.

The 11-member committee is made up of experts and professionals in the art world who are appointed to three-year terms.

Two are museum representatives, two are experts in archaeology and ethnology, three are specialists in worldwide art trade and four others are designated based on their areas of expertise.

A source close to the committee told AFP on condition of anonymity that another committee member, Gary Vikan, was also stepping down.

Sullivan serves as executive director of the Historic Saint Mary's City Commission, dedicated to one of the first British colonies, in the state of Maryland. Vikan is director of the Walters Art Gallery in Baltimore, Maryland.

Baghdad's museum, which housed one of the world's great collections of artifacts from early Mesopotamian civilizations, was ransacked by looters on Friday in the upheaval following US troops' entry into the city.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Tuesday that the United States was offering rewards for the return of items from the museum, or assistance in their recovery.

But critics have faulted US forces for failing to intervene in the extensive pillaging of the capital and other Iraqi cities after President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s regime collapsed.

Likening the looting to a post-football game riot, Rumsfeld said Tuesday: "No one likes it. No one allows it. It happens and it is unfortunate, and to the extent it can be stopped, it should be stopped."

"To the extent it happens in a war zone, it's difficult to stop," he added.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: antiquities; looting; martinsullivan
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
The critics could look pretty silly when the truth comes out. Recent reports indicate the Museum heist was an inside job; the theives had keys to the vaults. They also hade glass cutters and were very discriminating in what they took. An evacuation plan was executed in 1991 and was in place again but not executed this time. There are also rumors that many items may have been sold off by the Saddamites because of a high volume of Iraqi sales in Paris and London during the 1990's - this may in part be intended to cover that up.

Reported today is that the Museum is across the street from the Republican Guard barracks, from which sniper fire and attacks were being launced. Were our troops supposed to take casualties to prevent the Iraqis from stealing from their own museum?

21 posted on 04/17/2003 11:01:46 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
The "looting" was an inside job.

The valuable pieces have been moved to vaults several months ago, vaults that are well disguised and under lock and key.

Nevertheless, the "looters" found where the vaults were, and the "looters" happened to have the keys.

The only pieces left exposed to actual looting had little or no value, as well as empty cases.

Eventually, a whistle blower will lead the loot.

22 posted on 04/17/2003 11:03:51 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: apillar
The basic premise of the story was that it was probably an inside job and all the truly valuable items had been smuggled out of the country during and maybe even before the war.

Hmmm... now I get it. I guess General Franks watched that PBS or NPR piece too and he decided that all Iraqi museums were already 100% empty and therefore they needed no more protection. He was therefore going to place the guards at the Oil Ministry.

23 posted on 04/17/2003 11:04:00 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
This is a loss for the human species, not for the Baath party. The artifacts stored in those museums are a billion times more important than whatever is now protected inside the Ministry of Oil building.

Then the perpetrators (likely Baath party members and pro-Saddamites) will get their just punishment in due time.

24 posted on 04/17/2003 11:05:42 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: kesg
The life of one US military person is worth more than all of the contents of that museum.

Wrong!!!

On the other hand, Iraq's 'freedom' is NOT worth the lives of 100+ Americans, already dead for absolutely no good reason.

25 posted on 04/17/2003 11:06:30 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
PARIS (AP) -- Some of the looters who ravaged Iraqi antiquities had keys to museum vaults and were able to take pieces from safes, experts said Thursday at an international meeting. ...........

"It looks as if part of the looting was a deliberate planned action," said McGuire Gibson, a University of Chicago professor and president of the American Association for Research in Baghdad. "They were able to take keys for vaults and were able to take out important Mesopotamian materials put in safes." ..............

"I have a suspicion it was organized outside the country, in fact I'm pretty sure it was," said Gibson. He added that if a good police team was put together, "I think it could be cracked in no time."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/895129/posts?


26 posted on 04/17/2003 11:06:33 AM PDT by deport
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Maybe Sullivan was aprtly to blame.

Did he alert Bush and Rumsfeld about the significance of this museum (although that should hardly have been necessary)?
27 posted on 04/17/2003 11:07:11 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator; Grampa Dave; Shermy; Travis McGee; MeeknMing
In a letter to Bush dated Monday, Sullivan said he was resigning as chairman of the President's Advisory Committee on Cultural Property, a position he had held since 1995.

Mr. Sullivan was placed in that position during CLINTON's admin. He is NOT a true Bush advisor.

As to your assertions that protecting the Ministry of Oil and the fields themselves, as opposed to the museum, was a grave mistake, I take a deep exception.

Like it or not, the oil wealth of that country is what will give it the capacity for a rapid and sustained turnaround to a country of considerable wealth.

In addition, there are many conflicting reports regarding the looting:
1. The staff had plans to remove ALL antiquities of value within a 24 hour notice, which they definitely had.
2. There are many reports that the greatest of the artifacts were examined by experts long before the war, and their strong position was that the ones on display were fakes, quite possibly perpetrated by Saddam for his usage of the real items, whether for sale or his own possession is an unknown.
3. War is hell, things get broken, destroyed, looted, burned, etc. Face it and get over it.
4. There are factual reports that instead of broken glass and destroyed display cases (indicative of pure looting), the cases were professionally cut with glass cutters, which is indicative of a very sophisticated theft,
5. Given the plans to evacuate the finest of the antiquities in a 24 hour period, the lack of that happening and the professional nature of the theft, this situation looks a lot more like a planned theft by Iraqis of some high position and authority.

Can we protect everything in LA during a given riot...NO. Can we do the same in the middlle of a WAR in a city the size of Baghdad.......NO.

Faulting the troops or their commanders over this is a fools errand. Give it up.

28 posted on 04/17/2003 11:07:22 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (Just like Black September. One by one, we're gonna get 'em.)
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
I guess General Franks watched that PBS or NPR piece too and he decided that all Iraqi museums were already 100% empty and therefore they needed no more protection. He was therefore going to place the guards at the Oil Ministry.

You're just pissed we won this war, and you want to take it out on SOMETHING!

Face it. Franks made the proper choice. Read the link in the post above. All that was "looted" was furniture and office equipment. The "artifacts" were long gone before the coalition ever got to Baghdad.

29 posted on 04/17/2003 11:08:28 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Then the perpetrators (likely Baath party members and pro-Saddamites) will get their just punishment in due time.

Is this what counts? Don't you understand? These destroyed artifacts are lost for ever. The harm can not be undone. It doesn't matter if one million Baath members and Bill Clinton die of slow torture. It will not bring back what is now lost.

30 posted on 04/17/2003 11:09:45 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
Bullshit. We were still fighting when the looting started. Is stopping looting worth more casualties to our soldiers?

I say good riddance to this cultural a-hole. You sound like those idiot liberals griping about the looting, when we have acheived an incredible victory.
31 posted on 04/17/2003 11:10:06 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
a position he had held since 1995.

LOL!

Obviously, nobody noticed that he was still there.

Moron.

32 posted on 04/17/2003 11:10:29 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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Fox news :
I just saw on the Fox news ticker that British Archaeologists that had seen the displays at the recently reopened Baghdad Museum say that many items appeared to be reproductions.

33 posted on 04/17/2003 11:10:41 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
On the other hand, Iraq's 'freedom' is NOT worth the lives of 100+ Americans, already dead for absolutely no good reason.

You really ARE pissed, aren't you?

And hysterical, to boot.

34 posted on 04/17/2003 11:10:43 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
All that was "looted" was furniture and office equipment. The "artifacts" were long gone before the coalition ever got to Baghdad.

Of course this is not true. But, even if it was, did Franks know for a fact that NOTHING OF VALUE was in those museums. Of course he didn't.

35 posted on 04/17/2003 11:11:19 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
What would have been the upside of using US troops as riot control police in Baghdad?

ABCCNNNBCCBS footage of US troops machinegunning Iraqi civilians.

I wonder why General Franks didn't go with that plan?

36 posted on 04/17/2003 11:11:53 AM PDT by Jarhead_22 (Texas: Bigger than France.)
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
These destroyed artifacts are lost for ever.

No they're not. They're being fenced. They'll turn up in private collections or a Euro museum.

37 posted on 04/17/2003 11:12:30 AM PDT by sinkspur
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
If you don't like the war and the outcome, you can go to hell...I mean France.
38 posted on 04/17/2003 11:12:38 AM PDT by ohioman
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NY Times :
With the museum at last under the protection of American troops and tanks, Dr. George said today that part of the collection had been stored in vaults in the basement just before the war, though some of the heavier and more fragile items remained in the galleries. Some items were also taken elsewhere for storage.

He said looters did manage to break into the basement, but said his team of experts had only begun assessing the extent of the damage. "We have to check all the boxes to see what is lost," he said, "and that will take time, a lot of time."


39 posted on 04/17/2003 11:13:21 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: A Vast RightWing Conspirator
1000's of murdered and tortured children, millions of Iraqis under a cruel terrorist regime isnt worth 100 american lives? We have a duty to fight evil when its feasible. We just happened to be able to fix this evil. The world is a better place with the regime gone.
40 posted on 04/17/2003 11:13:22 AM PDT by CaptainJustice (Dangerous Jesus Lover)
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