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'I don't know what an illegal alien is'
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | Jan. 26, 2003 | Vin Suprynowicz

Posted on 03/11/2003 1:36:06 PM PST by madfly

A couple weeks back, I ended my commentary on the case of west Michigan housewife Janice Barton -- jailed for using the word "Spic" in a private conversation -- with the comment, "For it is not merely a far-fetched theoretical notion that they might use this new `politeness' puritanism to actually foreclose, shut down, stymie and disallow a vital public debate on issues of legitimate public concern by barring the very language by which their opponents may choose to express those ideas."

Can I come up with an example? Glad you asked.

I don't know that I've ever been as tempted to change my position on a major issue by a single, hour-long meeting of my newspaper's editorial board with a group of local residents, as I was last June 4.

Ironically, the change they got me to consider was one away from the position we had up till then held in common.

As a Libertarian, I have long spoken for open immigration. Why should governments limit the right to travel in search of more freedom? So long as immigrants understand and embrace our founding principles of liberty and a tiny government of limited powers strictly enumerated, God bless them and the more the merrier. Strength through diversity, and all that.

But back to that Tuesday afternoon last summer, when a group of local "Hispanic students" had asked for an hour's time from the Review-Journal editorial board. They had been offended by a column by free-lance education writer Ken Ward. In the column, Mr. Ward cited statistics that the population of the Clark County School District is becoming increasingly Hispanic; that this is being used as an excuse by the district to demand ever more money; and that (statistically) this is holding down district test scores because Hispanics show the highest drop-out rates of any ethnic group and tend to come from homes with the lowest level of family education (the best indicator of likely low academic achievement).

Mind you, all this data had been promulgated in an AP story on Census data. And it was and is being used by district Superintendent Carlos Garcia as justification for demanding ever increased taxpayer subsidies.

Predictably enough, a couple of gifted local high school seniors reading from earnest if naive prepared statements -- insisting that Hispanics only get "the crumbs of the crumbs" when it comes to education funding, and that "all we want is what every other immigrant group has gotten" (remind me again how many millions were spent, 90 years ago, on special "second-language" programs for the country's new Italian and Polish and Russian immigrants) -- turned out to be mere window dressing.

The real lectures to our staff about our "racism " and our abominable "lack of sensitivity" were delivered by tax-succored government school bureaucrats who are retained to run expensive special programs teaching Mexican kids in Spanish, and by Fernando Romero, a longtime agitator and 54-year-old executive for The Mirage, who categorically denies any "undocumented workers" are employed in the Las Vegas hotel industry.

These professional whiners insisted that neither Mr. Ward nor the rest of us should "lump together" the diverse Hispanic community, which includes American-born persons of Hispanic descent, legal immigrants and "undocumented workers."

I asked Mr. Romero if "undocumented worker" wasn't merely a euphemism for illegal aliens. He demanded that I stop using the term "illegal aliens," asserting that it offends him -- and that he's even offended by hearing it called a "euphemism."

I repeatedly asked -- since our guests had insisted we should not "lump together" all the diverse elements of the Hispanic community -- whether they would then join with me in calling for the rounding up and deportation of all illegal aliens.

And they kept avoiding the question. Doing everything short of covering his ears, Mr. Romero actually asserted at one point, "I don't know what an illegal alien is."

Funny, Mr. Romero's grasp of English had seemed real good up till then. So I explained to him that an illegal alien is someone who has entered this country, and remained here, without following the legal procedures set down by the U.S. Congress.

And then the real agenda started to become clear. High school bilingual education teacher Neftali Torres firmly asserted, "They're here, and that's that, and we have a right to educate them." Student Mariana Kihuen lectured us that, "Illegal aliens and residents and legal immigrants, they are all separate; they are three steps toward legal immigration."

But how is this any different from saying, "Bank presidents and bank depositors and bank robbers, they are all three steps toward becoming an owner of the bank." Are we really to be forbidden from drawing distinctions between these three types of people who you might find in a bank?

This insistence that I not use the phrase "illegal alien" to describe illegal aliens, it appears to me, is the key to what's really going on.

"They're not illegal until they've been found guilty in a court," Mr. Torres instructed me. "They're just undocumented workers."

"So if I hold up a bank, I'm not a bank robber till I've been convicted?" I asked him.

"That's right," Mr. Torres replied.

Ah. So a police officer who shoots a bank robber during the commission of his crime has committed murder -- has killed an innocent person, since the robber "hadn't been convicted of anything in a court of law." Interesting.

This is evil, dangerous and pernicious nonsense, a political masked battery hiding behind a gentle-sounding "let's not use offensive hate-speech" euphemism.

"Undocumented worker" is a euphemism purposely designed to create the impression the person in question has merely neglected to go downtown and finish filling out a few forms. In fact, an illegal alien is here illegally, and by law should and must be rounded up and deported, and the refusal of our Hispanic visitors of June 4 to acknowledge or embrace this principle despite my repeated requests that they do so surely reveals their true agenda.

Next time: "The use of derogatory word terms, such as `illegal aliens' ... etc. not to be used in future articles."



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Michigan; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: english; euphamisms; immigration; press; spanish; suprynowicz; terminology
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To: anniegetyourgun
lol


21 posted on 03/11/2003 2:28:21 PM PST by madfly (AZFIRE.org)
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To: RnMomof7
This is the first article I've read of his, thanks to Black Agnes. I just think he's a kick. I posted the other one she sent, THE ATTACK OF THE KILLER EUPHAMISMS, lol, but I spelled it EUPHASIMS and boy is it getting the hits!

HERE

22 posted on 03/11/2003 2:32:16 PM PST by madfly (AZFIRE.org)
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To: madfly
How about "RESOURCE SUCKING LAW BREAKING BORDER JUMPERS"
That ought about cover it. If I sound a little bitter and jaded it's because I am from Cailifornia. There is a process that needs to be followed. If those who don't believe that processes are for them, well let them try to jump to the front of a long ATM line and see what happens.
23 posted on 03/11/2003 2:34:14 PM PST by amexmike
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To: newgeezer
I fear you're right. ;)
24 posted on 03/11/2003 2:36:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Are you going Freeps Ahoy! Don't miss the boat. Er ship...)
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To: RnMomof7
But following that same logic, the officer had clearly not at that point committed murder, since he had not been convicted in a court of law of shooting anybody. So what we have is a system in which nobody can ever be called guilty of anything - in which nothing ever happens. That is, unless they say something impolite.
25 posted on 03/11/2003 2:49:31 PM PST by JaimeD2
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To: madfly; anniegetyourgun
My son and I decided we should close our German bases and move them to Poland..

The Germans do not want us so why help their economy? The Polish would welcome us and our US $$ would be put to good use there..

Do I hear a second?

26 posted on 03/11/2003 3:58:15 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
With all due respect I think that the Poles aren't much better than the Germans.

As to whether the Germans want us to help them or not is of little concern to the US Armed forces. It is whether or not we need them there or not.

27 posted on 03/11/2003 4:19:10 PM PST by Nachum
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To: JaimeD2; Black Agnes; Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; forester
lol, check this out.

I enjoy how this guy can turn a phrase. Here he adds a witty Orwellian frosting to this morsel by Ann Coulter. Yummy.

"If there were a modern Spanish Inquisition in America today, it wouldn't be Bob Jones rounding up Catholics," adds Ann Coulter on page 196 of her new book, "Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right." Rather, It would be liberals rounding up right-wingers and putting them on trial for hate crimes. The liberal Torquemadas would be smug and angry and self-righteous. And when they were done, they would proudly announce they had finally banished intolerance."

And banned anyone from saying anything unpleasant about them, while they were at it. from his website. . .

http://www.privacyalert.us/About-Us.htm

In 1994, Suprynowicz again beat a Time magazine cover story by more than six months with his on-the-scene coverage (he was the only reporter or photographer present) as county officials — backed by dozens of armed citizens — bulldozed open rural Nevada roads previously shut down by the U.S. Forest Service. (See the third chapter of The Ballad of Carl Drega — titled "The War for the Western Lands.")

Vin Suprynowicz


28 posted on 03/11/2003 4:24:16 PM PST by madfly (AZFIRE.org)
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To: madfly
High school bilingual education teacher Neftali Torres firmly asserted, "They're here, and that's that, and we have a right to educate them."

Uhhh, correction, Mr. Torres, you should say that we (American taxpayers) are being FORCED to TRY to educate them.

Let's see, in California, the going rate for educating one student per year is approximately $8,000. There's probably at least a half a million or more "undocumented" Mexican students in California alone. $8,000 X 500,000 = $4,000,000 (mil) a year. Then there's the free breakfasts and lunches, plus the food stamps their parents receive, then there's the welfare checks, then there's the free medical care, etc. No wonder they're invading us, everything's free. Most of them don't even pay income taxes either. what a deal.

Mr. Torres, do you ever wonder why American taxpayers are getting pissed off?

29 posted on 03/11/2003 5:04:48 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
Your math is off by a tad, the number should be 4 Billion...500,000 X $8,000 = $4,000,000,000..You're welcome ;^)
30 posted on 03/11/2003 5:33:14 PM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: madfly
It would be liberals rounding up right-wingers and putting them on trial for hate crimes.

It would be so nice if they started their 'roundup' here in Northern Nevada.

In just a few days the one who were left would either become rapidly re-educated or join the others who tried.

31 posted on 03/11/2003 5:34:32 PM PST by B4Ranch (Politicians, like diapers should be changed often. Stop re-electing these 'good' people!)
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To: madfly
The foreign invasion is getting out of hand. So according to immigration advocates, conservative themes such as tax relief, secure borders, and spending caps are forms of discrimination. Political Correctness will be the death of our nation.
32 posted on 03/11/2003 5:41:15 PM PST by Kuksool
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
"Is the term, "wetback" off limits?"

Not until the Rio Grande becomes a dry wash!

I guess you can call them dusty dirty illegals then.
33 posted on 03/11/2003 5:44:21 PM PST by dalereed
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To: anniegetyourgun
Just as long as it is not smothered in Kraut.
34 posted on 03/11/2003 6:04:17 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Improve New York City-turn the UN site into a toxic waste dump.)
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To: RnMomof7
"Do I hear a second?"

I second that! (See, we don't disagree on everything.)
35 posted on 03/11/2003 6:15:19 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Improve New York City-turn the UN site into a toxic waste dump.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
On that we can agree.
36 posted on 03/11/2003 6:40:06 PM PST by Barnacle (A human shield against Liberal tripe.)
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To: isthisnickcool; madfly; Black Agnes; Dutchy; RaceBannon; sarcasm; firebrand
Seems to me this is about money and power. Gov't money and power. Something these people seem to think they cannot get access to unless the illegals become legal and vote "their own" into office.

And many congresscritters are willing to sell their vote to the highest bidder enabling the charlatons who pretend to represent us, buy their votes with our own money.

(remind me again how many millions were spent, 90 years ago, on special "second-language" programs for the country's new Italian and Polish and Russian immigrants)

What a farce and the range of contradictions is truly mind boggling. The Gov't spends millions of dollars to teach them English and millions more to have printed matter, telephone inquiries to governmental agencies and the like translated into Spanish.

37 posted on 03/11/2003 7:48:25 PM PST by StarFan
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To: jeremiah
Thanks Jeramiah. I realized this after I posted it, but was hoping no one would notice... :^))

Can you imagine how California taxpayers feel? California is supposed to be broke, yet there has not been a word from the Governor about the costs of illegal immigration, not a word. Everyone from the President on down, with the exception of a couple in Congress, ignores the word "illegal". All illegal aliens need to do is cross over an open border, and instantly they are supported by America. There are millions of them here in California. It's sick.

38 posted on 03/11/2003 8:16:31 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: madfly
The term "illegal alien" offends? What a wimp! I am sick of these fantasy games of not using certain terms. A moron is a moron and a spade is a spade. And that goes for every side, including those objecting to the term "French fries."

As an aside, yesterday a thread on how illegals would perform in our military was pulled? Was it because it was a vanity?

39 posted on 03/12/2003 3:58:49 AM PST by Dante3
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To: madfly
Correction: the title was how illegals would behave if war breaks out.
40 posted on 03/12/2003 4:01:29 AM PST by Dante3
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