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Indiscriminate Sale of Firearms Should Be Prohibited
museum of the city of San francisco ^ | 1934 | Dr. T. B. W. Leland

Posted on 03/08/2003 8:31:20 PM PST by SteveH

Indiscriminate Sale of Firearms Should Be Prohibited

By Dr. T. B. W. LELAND

Coroner, City and County of San Francisco

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The promiscuous sale of firearms should be prohibited. We have had ample opportunity to realize the dangers that arise from the use of the death-dealing instruments. When are we going to awaken? We must treat the men who carry guns as potential murderers. Be done with the sentimentalistic foolery. We have got to realize that a man who wields a gun does not do so with any sympathetic object. He is out of his game just the same as a hunter on the steppes.

It is unfortunate that a police officer, or for that matter, any other man should die the victim of a bullet which civilization, common decency and the inherent law to protect, should not allow. We may awaken sometime but it looks as if we are extremely indifferent, diffident and negligent.

We cannot pardon ourselves as murderers. We are assassins, cold in fact as this may appear to be, because we not only allow such a situation to prevail but we do nothing to prevent it.

Some day we are going to elect judges who are going to impose the penalty which should be inflicted upon those who carry guns. We have had enough molly-coddling of the criminal. We demand not only that the criminal be punished but that judges will see the advisability of meting out the penalty that common sense dictates.

We are reminded of the lines in that famous Gilbert & Sullivan operetta:

"My object all sublime I will achieve in time To make the punishment fit the crime The punishment fit the crime."

Before the venerable Justice Grantham a few years ago in England, a men was convicted of carrying concealed weapons. He had a gun but there was no evidence that he had used it. The judge sentenced him to ten years penal servitude.

Before "Bloody Jeffries" eighty-seven men were convicted not so many years ago, of crimes less heinous than that of carrying a gun. Sheep-stealing and a few of the crimes rampant in that day came under judicial decision. Eighty-seven men died on the gallows and their crimes would be considered petty misdemeanors in this day and age. We respect dollars, we respect gangsters when conducting under the helm of those who control the dollars.

We have reached a sad stage in American "progressivism" (God save the mark) when we allow the wielders of the gun to escape the penalties which a just law should prescribe. In the last few years there have been many cases where a man's life was been cut short through the use of the gun. One of the most recent instances was that of Michael McDonald who died on August 26, 1933.

A jury sitting in the court of Coroner Dr. T. B. W. Leland, found that McDonald was murdered by Harold S. Meek who was afterwards shot by Officers Borbeck and McConville.

The jury added this rider, which is significant in the light of present conditions:

"On account of the ease with which firearms are procured and on account of the wave of crime existing in the United States at the present in which not only ordinary firearms but machine guns are being used, we, the jury, recommend the passage of a national bill to restrict the sale and use of firearms; also that the governor, state legislature, the public press and also state and civic bodies lend their active support toward the passage of proper legislation controlling the sale, possession and use of firearms."

It is not to much hope that the day of firearms will be doomed. When we are provided the proper restrictions, as we should as a people, gangsterism will fade. The trouble with us now is that we have too much respect for the gun and no respect for the law. The day when a man with a gun is absolute, we bespeak, is passing.

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San Francisco Municipal Reports - 1934


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: banglist; firearms; guncontrol; secondamendment
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gun control, 1934 style
1 posted on 03/08/2003 8:31:20 PM PST by SteveH
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To: SteveH
One word comes to mind: incoherent.
3 posted on 03/08/2003 8:38:08 PM PST by Howlin (Only UNamericans put the UN before America!)
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To: SteveH
We must treat the men who carry guns as potential murderers.

Fortunately, no murders were ever committed prior to the invention of gunpowder, so I'm pretty much convinced by his reasoning.

4 posted on 03/08/2003 8:38:38 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: SteveH
Screw him...I'm gonna buy a gun in two weeks just for that comment
5 posted on 03/08/2003 8:40:40 PM PST by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: SteveH
Almost 70 years later and it's still a bad idea. It's fitting that it was from San Francisco.
6 posted on 03/08/2003 8:41:55 PM PST by Reagan is King (Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever)
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To: SteveH; madfly; FITZ; Bill Davis FR; DeathStalker; mhking; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Elkiejg; ...
Indiscriminate Sale banning of Firearms Should Be Prohibited
7 posted on 03/08/2003 8:42:32 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK ("He is a moss-gatherer, and I have been a stone doomed to rolling." Gandalf)
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To: *bang_list
BANG!
8 posted on 03/08/2003 8:45:49 PM PST by kAcknor
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To: Dog Gone
We must treat the men who carry guns as potential murderers.

Ok, then. How about we consider dictators who possess weapons of mass destruction? Somehow I bet the person who said this is pro-Saddam.

I have thought about a vanity thread on this subject:

The left says that a pre-emptive war is wrong...

YET the basis of gun-control is pre-emptive---to pre-empt an imagined or possible (however remotely) attack by gun-owners.

Actually I think Rush has made this comment: the left doesn't want law-abiding citizens to own guns, but it's ok with the left for insane, tryanical dictators to possess wmd's!!

9 posted on 03/08/2003 9:02:25 PM PST by gg188
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To: Reagan is King
"It's fitting that it was from San Francisco."

Beat me to it.
10 posted on 03/08/2003 9:24:04 PM PST by 11B3 (.308 holes make invisible souls.)
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To: SteveH
We must treat the men who carry guns as potential murderers.

And by the same logic, we must treat all men who carry pens as potential liars.

11 posted on 03/08/2003 10:08:33 PM PST by IronJack
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To: KEYSTONE
I carry a gun 24/7.Doc. you want to try to take?

I know I don't want to try to take it. 24/7? What do you attach it to or where do you place it when you take a shower? No, wait! Don't tell me:)

12 posted on 03/08/2003 10:33:21 PM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: IronJack
We must treat the men who carry guns as potential murderers.

By that logic...how about "We must treat the men who have a penis as potential rapists."
What about women? Are they all potential prostitutes? Where does one draw the line?

13 posted on 03/09/2003 7:09:33 AM PST by jcparks
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To: jcparks
This is what I call "presumptive guilt." It is now considered equitable, in some quarters, to punish people for what they MIGHT do. You could also call it "anticipatory justice."

Of course, it violates a couple of centuries' worth of Western legal doctrine. But if it saves even one life ...

14 posted on 03/09/2003 7:46:24 AM PST by IronJack
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To: IronJack
It is now considered equitable, in some quarters, to punish people for what they MIGHT do.

Have you seen "Minority Report" yet? Not a particularly well written script, but the vision of a world which believes in pre-emptive punishment is chilling.

15 posted on 03/09/2003 7:52:33 AM PST by FairWitness
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To: SteveH
This guy must be some doctor. They let him work on people who are already dead. Just so the imcompetent fool can't hurt someone.
16 posted on 03/09/2003 7:55:40 AM PST by wcbtinman
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To: FairWitness
I won't see anything with Tom Cruise in it. But I'm aware of the premise of the movie. It's not science fiction anymore, at least to some folks.
17 posted on 03/09/2003 9:14:19 AM PST by IronJack
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To: Reagan is King
"Almost 70 years later ..."

And we've got a lot if not most of what he wanted and it has arguably made things worse, not better.
18 posted on 03/09/2003 10:23:06 AM PST by KrisKrinkle
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To: IronJack
You wrote:

"And by the same logic, we must treat all men who carry pens as potential liars."

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The spoken word had killed and maimed more people than guns.

FRegards,

19 posted on 03/09/2003 10:35:02 AM PST by Osage Orange (Condi Rice---- There's no slack in her rope.)
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To: Osage Orange
Then why is there no movement to register typewriters? And no 5-day waiting period on fountain pens? As instruments of death and chaos, surely they are the equivalent of my paltry .357 Mag.
20 posted on 03/09/2003 12:19:56 PM PST by IronJack
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