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Congresswoman (D) compares Osama to U.S. founders
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 6, 2003 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 03/05/2003 10:58:59 PM PST by FairOpinion

In preparation for a seminar she will participate in tomorrow for priests and Catholic educators, an Ohio congresswoman compared Osama bin Laden to America's revolutionary founders.

"One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown," Rep. Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio, told the Toledo Blade.

Rep. Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio

Before launching a military strike against Iraq, Americans should consider their own history to remember how powerful the mix of religion and politics can be, she said.

"If you think back to our founding as a country, we are a country of revolution," said Kaptur.

She gave the interview in promoting a workshop for local Catholic leaders on the subject "Preaching and Teaching Peace in the Face of War."

When America "cast off monarchical Britain" in 1776, it involved the help of many religious people who had fled repression in other countries, the 11-term Toledo congresswoman said. She referred specifically to the Green Mountain Boys, a patriot militia organized in 1770 in Bennington, Vt., to confront British forces.

"I think that one thing that people of faith understand about the world of Islam is that the kind of insurgency we see occurring in many of these countries is an act of hope that life will be better using Islam as the only reed that they have to lean on," she said. "I think that people of faith understand that for many of the terrorists, their actions are acts of sacred piety to the point of losing their lives. And I think that people of faith understand that there is a heavy religious overtone to the opposition."

She added that a U.S. military campaign to oust Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein will not resolve the underlying problems leading to political and social upheaval.

"Even if we take the ground, we do not share the culture," she said. "And in the end we have to learn to coexist in a world with religious states that we may not agree with and find ways to cooperate."

Kaptur said her political and moral views were influenced by her family's tradition of Roman Catholicism and service in the U.S. Marine Corps and Army infantry.

"Our tradition is to exhaust all reasonable means before one goes to war, because our family, like so many others in our area, knows the price of war," she said.

Kaptur said she does not believe the standards of the "Just War Doctrine," developed by Saint Augustine in the fourth century, apply to the U.S.-Iraq showdown.

"I think that's why there is so much angst and division over this because we're in the gray area here," she said. "People of religious tradition are making their voices be heard very loudly on this one. I think there's sort of an instinctual sense that something isn't right here, and while they know there is a problem they are not sure that war is the solution."

Kaptur said the Catholic tradition calls for embracing the poor and the dispossessed. Thus, she believes, rather than initiate military action, the United States should try to counter the poverty and repression that she says breed terrorism in the Mideast.

"I think food and education will help stem the poverty of the young people who are being drawn into terrorism every day," she said.

Yesterday, Kaptur and Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, presented 13,000 anti-war poems to their colleagues in Congress.

Kaptur's pronouncements about bin Laden are reminiscent of Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., lauding the terror leader's nation-building tactics in December.

Murray said at the time that bin Laden has been "out in these [poor] countries for decades, building schools, building roads, building infrastructure, building day care facilities, building health care facilities, and the people are extremely grateful. We haven't done that."


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: binladen; congress; congresswoman; democrats; deomcrats; kaptur; traitor
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Another Osama worshipping Democrat.

How can people tolerate to be represented by such idiot traitors? These must be ways to recall them, or at least make sure they don't get re-elected.

1 posted on 03/05/2003 10:59:00 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
I can't believe I'm reading this...
2 posted on 03/05/2003 11:00:36 PM PST by ECM
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To: FairOpinion
She is full of Sh*t.

If she hates our political system so much, why does she participate in it?
3 posted on 03/05/2003 11:01:28 PM PST by yonif
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Don't forget about Congressmen Baghdad McDermott and Bonior, paying homage to Saddam right in Baghdad on US TV.

I think we should bundle up this bunch and send them all to Iraq -- BEFORE we bomb.
4 posted on 03/05/2003 11:02:04 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Contacting Marcy
Northwest Ohio Office
One Maritime Plaza
Sixth Floor
Toledo, Ohio 43604-1853
(419) 259-7500
(800) 964-4699
Fax - (419) 255-9623

Washington, D.C. Office
2366 Rayburn House Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20515
(202) 225-4146
Fax - (202) 225-7711
5 posted on 03/05/2003 11:02:18 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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To: FairOpinion
Kaptur said the Catholic tradition calls for embracing the poor and the dispossessed. Thus, she believes, rather than initiate military action, the United States should try to counter the poverty and repression that she says breed terrorism in the Mideast.

We are going to help them and liberate them from Saddam's tyranny.

6 posted on 03/05/2003 11:02:20 PM PST by yonif
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To: FairOpinion
Forget? If only...*vomit*.
7 posted on 03/05/2003 11:04:35 PM PST by ECM
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To: ECM
She has exposed her level of intelligence and comprehension and her true grasp of history.
8 posted on 03/05/2003 11:04:43 PM PST by MEG33
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To: FairOpinion
One could say that Osama bin Laden and these non-nation-state fighters with religious purpose are very similar to those kind of atypical revolutionaries that helped to cast off the British crown

Yeah, well, I guess you could say that, and you could say 2 + 2 = 7 or "Mars candy bars come from Mars"... but...so what? Saying it doesn't make it so.

9 posted on 03/05/2003 11:05:20 PM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it, but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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"And in the end we have to learn to coexist in a world with religious states that we may not agree with and find ways to cooperate."

Or, we could just kill all of them.....

Regards,

L

10 posted on 03/05/2003 11:05:44 PM PST by Lurker (When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.)
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Marcy Kaptur (D-OH 9th)
E-MAIL: rep.kaptur@mail.house.gov
11 posted on 03/05/2003 11:05:54 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (In those days... Every man did that which was right in his own eyes.)
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She is totally ignorant of what our founders were and who we are.

Our founders fought against tryanny and not to insall tryannical governments headed by Imams.

Our founders fought for religious freedoms not religious oppression.

("Jesus died for your sins, Mohhamed would kill you for your sins"- as another freeper put it)

The founders fought on a battlefield against overwhelmingly superior forces. They did not resort to blowing up the women and children of British officers while they slept.
12 posted on 03/05/2003 11:09:12 PM PST by Kay Soze (F France and Germany- They are our enemies.)
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Kaptur said the Catholic tradition calls for embracing the poor and the dispossessed. Thus, she believes, rather than initiate military action, the United States should try to counter the poverty and repression that she says breed terrorism in the Mideast.

Dems believe in separating government and religion until they want to mix government and religion....

13 posted on 03/05/2003 11:09:57 PM PST by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: Lurker
Right on man.

Stop Islam Now by Any Means Neccessary.
14 posted on 03/05/2003 11:10:03 PM PST by Stopislamnow
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To: FairOpinion
**Rep. Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio **

I think this lady just got herself unelected.

Shall we FReep the heck out of her?
15 posted on 03/05/2003 11:10:22 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: FairOpinion
Kaptur's job should go kaput!

I'm amazed at Liberal rationale, she sure sounds a lot like one of our's.

And that's because they're all 'cut from the same cloth'.

16 posted on 03/05/2003 11:12:19 PM PST by FreeCanuckistan
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To: FairOpinion

I can't stand these people; I am thinking of all kinds of bad things. This troll is bad, sick, evil, slime, scum....feel free to add.

17 posted on 03/05/2003 11:12:56 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: ECM
I can't believe I'm reading this...

I am at a loss for words

18 posted on 03/05/2003 11:13:46 PM PST by Mo1 (Free Miguel Estrada !!!)
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To: FairOpinion
This woman is an abject cretin, who doesn't know any history, can't manage to keep abreast of current events, and is using ( misusing ) her religious beliefs to further her warped agenda.

OBL, ALL of his higher ups, and the 19 men who flew the planes on 9/11 come / came from upper middle to stinking rich families. Poverty has NOTHING to do with this brand of terrorism. Saddam is stinking rich. He keeps " his people " in penury. If it is " OUR " job to feed the poor and wretched of the world , then WE shall be poor and wretched. Then, who will support them ? Not this POS Congress Critter; that's for sure!

Someone, along the way, forgot to educated this pathetic woman. the FFs didn't revolt against England ( likewise the GREEN MOUNTAIN BOYS ! ) because of religious zeal. OTOH, Islamicists DO commit terror and war due to their perverted religion. They want EVERYONE and EVERY NATION to be Musslim. Maybe we'd all be better off, wuth this woiman in a burka and not allowed out of her house alone...let alone NOT being allowed to have a job; however, that isn't they way most of us want to have to live.

19 posted on 03/05/2003 11:13:54 PM PST by nopardons
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"Dems believe in separating government and religion until they want to mix government and religion"

You mean like CNN showcasing the Pope all day because of His stance against the war on Iraq?

It must be a coincidence....

20 posted on 03/05/2003 11:17:21 PM PST by FreeCanuckistan
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