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MOAB - Son of Daisy Cutter
StrategyPage.com ^ | 27 Feb 03 | StrategyPage.com

Posted on 02/27/2003 4:21:08 PM PST by 11B3

February 27, 2003: The U.S. Air Force is developing a new, 2nd generation, ten ton Fuel Air Explosive (FAS) bomb. It will replace the older "Daisy Cutter" FAS bomb developed during the 1960s. This was a 7.5 ton Fuel Air Explosive for clearing landing zones in the Vietnam jungle. Fuel Air Explosives work by dropping a bomb that is actually a large aerosol dispenser. When the FAS "explodes" it first dispenses a large cloud of flammable material (anything like gasoline or propane will work). The cloud is then ignited and huge explosion results. There's one drawback, the size and density of the aerosol cloud depends a lot on the wind, air temperature and humidity. So the power of the explosion will vary a lot.

The new FAS bomb, called MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Burst) gets around some of these problems by borrowing (or licensing) from Russia research in this area. Russia has developed more effective aerosol materials and produced a wide range of FAS (or "termobaric", as they like to call them) weapons. In dry, dusty conditions, the Daisy Cutter produces a mushroom cloud similar to that created by a nuclear explosion (and for the same reason, the sheer size of the explosion creates an upward pull that sends up a "mushroom" of smoke and dust on a column of smoke).

In addition to a more reliable and powerful explosion, MOAB doesn’t need a parachute, like the Daisy Cutter, but uses a GPS (like JDAM) and an aerodynamic body to detonate the bomb at a precise area. Thus the MOAB can be dropped from a higher altitude (like outside the range of machine-guns and rifles). Like the Daisy Cutter, MOAB is shoved out the back of a cargo aircraft (usually a C-130, but since the MOAB uses GPS and higher altitude drops, the C-17 can probably be used as well.)

MOAB is a highly destructive and terrifying weapon. If used in Iraq, it would demoralize any Iraqi troops in the vicinity who survived the explosion. The force of a MOAB explosion is sufficient to knock over tanks and kill any people within several hundred meters of the detonation.

After the 1991 Gulf War, the United States started to get rid of it's various FAS weapons. But some were left in the inventory when the Afghanistan came along and the success of Daisy Cutters there, plus the new Russian research in FAS weapons, led to the new American research effort.


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KEYWORDS: daiseycutter; miltech; moab; moabbomb; setusupthebomb
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I hadn't seen this posted yet. So much for ol' Daisy - but this one sounds like it is even more effective. If things turn into combat in cities for Baghdad, this one would change their minds in a real hurry.
1 posted on 02/27/2003 4:21:08 PM PST by 11B3
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To: 11B3
The citizens of Moab, Utah are having a fit over the AF naming a bomb after their fair city.
2 posted on 02/27/2003 4:59:36 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: *miltech
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4 posted on 02/27/2003 5:01:34 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: 11B3
Uh... You forgot the mandatory pictures.
5 posted on 02/27/2003 5:10:53 PM PST by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: Utah Girl
"gets around some of these problems by borrowing (or licensing) from Russia research in this area." I bet Russia got a lot more compensation from the US than clinton got from China. Yeah, the citizens of Moab got shafted big time. With as many mushrooms that get consumed in that town, only a nuclear weapon is worthy.
6 posted on 02/27/2003 5:11:31 PM PST by TBall
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To: TheGreatOokie
TheGreatOokie signed up 2003-02-27.

"Won't that thing make such a nice fireball in downtown Bahgdad? I can smell the buring corpses already. Go Team!"

Uh-huh. Those are "buring" textbooks you smell there, skippy.

7 posted on 02/27/2003 5:12:03 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: TBall
LOL! You must have visited Moab.
8 posted on 02/27/2003 5:12:09 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: TheGreatOokie
What an astonishingly stupid statement.

Might TheGreatOokie signed up 2003-02-27 be one of those America-Hating, Pacivist disruptors who has sneaked in here today to make our forum look as evil as possible?

Did TheGreatOokie signed up 2003-02-27 also bring along some germs to make FR run sloooow??

I think JR ought to bring out the Raid and ... pssst pssst the pest will be gone.

9 posted on 02/27/2003 5:16:35 PM PST by CIBvet
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To: TheGreatOokie
Won't that thing make such a nice fireball in downtown Bahgdad? I can smell the buring corpses already. Go Team!

Sorry, you're in the wrong huddle.

Your team is the one with the "peace" protestors who only oppose wars when a Republican is president.

10 posted on 02/27/2003 5:17:03 PM PST by Interesting Times
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To: Utah Girl
Unfortunately I never made it to Moab, but I know a nice getaway during the mud season.
11 posted on 02/27/2003 5:23:18 PM PST by TBall
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To: 11B3; All
Just a FYI: The movie OUTBREAK (Dustin Hoffman, 1995) has two separate Daisy Cutter drops in it (computer generated, but gives you an idea on the scope of the damage they can cause).
12 posted on 02/27/2003 5:23:39 PM PST by DoctorMichael (The French eat le Ca-Ca! So does Gephardt, Braun, Edwards, Sharpton, Kerry.............)
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To: Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; babylonian; Simcha7; crystalk
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MOAB is a highly destructive and terrifying weapon.

Moab = "of his father"

?

13 posted on 02/27/2003 5:25:16 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Jeremiah Jr; 2sheep; babylonian; Simcha7; crystalk
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MOAB is a highly destructive and terrifying weapon.

Moab = "of his father"

?

14 posted on 02/27/2003 5:25:55 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: 11B3
Moab

Mother
Of
All
Bombs
15 posted on 02/27/2003 5:42:35 PM PST by freepersup (And this expectation will not disappoint us.)
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To: 11B3
Related thread here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/852653/posts

‘Massive Ordnance Air Burst’ Bomb Set to Go if War Begins (Improved Daisy Cutter)

Best line: MOAB= Mother Of All Bombs
16 posted on 02/27/2003 5:45:02 PM PST by null and void
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To: freepersup
I like it. Saddam made his contribution to the English language.
17 posted on 02/27/2003 6:02:14 PM PST by Fee
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To: NY.SS-Bar9
I wish I could find some photos, but so far no luck.
18 posted on 02/27/2003 6:22:38 PM PST by 11B3 (Minigun the liberal masses. Bayonnet the survivors. Repeat as necessary.)
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To: 11B3
I quit on the first line. They are wrong on the Daisy cutter being a FAS (or FAE), it is not.

per

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm

"Frequent press reports to the contrary, the Daisy Cutter is not a fuel-air explosive (FAE). It is a conventional explosive incorporating both agent and oxidizer. In contrast, an FAE consists only of agent and a dispersing mechanism, and takes its oxidizer from the oxygen in the air. FAEs generally run between 500 and 2000 pounds; it would be difficult to make an FAE the size of Daisy Cutter because the correct uniform mixture of agent with ambient air would be difficult to maintain if the agent were so widely dispersed. Thus, the conventional explosive technique of Daisy Cutter is more reliable than that of an FAE, particularly if there is significant wind or thermal gradient."

19 posted on 02/27/2003 6:34:39 PM PST by HighWheeler
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To: 11B3
Now we just need to convert a few 747's that can carry about TEN of the suckers at a time and do a big line drop over troops and tanks.
20 posted on 02/27/2003 6:44:05 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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