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Two NASA Traditions
The Mutualist Society ^ | 2-12-03 | Brian King

Posted on 02/23/2003 11:39:56 AM PST by SwimmingUpstream

"Find the problem. Fix it. Fly again."

During the past few weeks since that terrible February morning, we have all heard of this noble tradition among those who work to help man slip the surly bonds of earth. When one of their number perishes in the endeavor, the rest do all they can to see to it their comrade did not die in vain.

NASA is now following that noble tradition, diligently searching for the root cause of the catastrophe that took the Columbia's crew from us. And one of the questions they are asking is: Was Columbia's left wing compromised by debris striking it 80 seconds after lift-off?

NASA does not know for certain one way or the other, and may never know for certain.

But it ought to know. It could have known -- long before Columbia disintegrated during re-entry.

It could have known -- but for another tradition within NASA.

Years before Al Shepard soared away from Cape Canaveral atop a harshly vibrating Redstone rocket, a tradition was developing within NASA of making the astronaut as redundant as practicable in controlling the flight of manned spacecraft.

This tradition was not developing out of animus or envy towards the astronaut corp. It was developing as a matter of practicality, efficiency, mission requirements, and a natural bias among engineers in favor of the machine.

For their part, the astronaut corp have acted, traditionally, as a counter to this tradition. But the complex nature of the machine that carries them into space weighs against the astronaut as a continually active pilot of the spacecraft. And for all but a few minutes in any spaceflight the astronaut is a back-up component in the flight control system; many an astronaut aboard the spacecraft is merely a passenger, as far as flight control is concerned.

This traditional engineer's bias towards astronaut-as-back-up-component was very much in evidence during Columbia's last flight. It affected the entire structure of NASA's methodology in assessing the condition of the shuttle's thermal tiles from the instant the shuttle left the pad.

From the moment NASA became aware of the fact that something had struck Columbia's left wing during ascent the agency leaned away from involving the astronauts and towards relying on engineers in ascertaining the condition of the shuttle's thermal protection system. The agency's initial response was to begin an analysis of what might have happened to the tiles as a result of the debris impact -- an analysis based on guestimates about the size and weight and hardness and trajectory and speed of the debris.

And toward what ultimate end was this engineering guestimate undertaken? To determine whether a condition of risk to the crew probably existed that required NASA to modify the plan for a normal re-entry?

If this was the aim of the guestimate, what options existed for getting the crew home safely?

Was a rescue of some of the crew, and a time-buying provisioning for the rest, possible via a hastened launch of a Russian Soyuz?

Was an orbit change possible that could allow Columbia to rendevous with the Internation Space Station?

Was a time-buying provisioning possible by the Russian Progess vehicle that was already scheduled to be sent to the International Space Station in early February?

Was a wing-sacrificing re-entry scheme feasible given the compromised condition of Columbia's thermal protection system?

Would NASA have chosen any of these options without an eyeballing of the shuttle's left wing, either by an astronaut or by some telescopic means?

If not, then why did NASA wait on the results of the engineering guestimate, losing precious days to mount a rescue or re-entry modification in the event the guestimate indicated the wing was catastrophically compromised?

The answer is that the traditional bias towards astronaut-as-back-up-component had led NASA to omit training and properly equiping the astronauts to inspect the thermal tiles on the underside of the shuttle while on orbit. Consequently, the risk the atronauts would have had to assume in order to go over the side of Columbia and eyeball the thermal tiles was significantly increased. If the thermal tiles proved to be relatively undamaged and one or more of the astronauts was lost during the now relatively riskier inspection, or if an astronaut caused significant damage to some tiles during the inspection, NASA management would come under a lot of fire.

Therefore, NASA thought it more prudent to wait for the engineering guestimate than to immediately ask an astronaut to take a risky look at the tiles. And as it happened, the engineering guestimate concluded that it was unlikely the thermal tiles were catastrophically compromised.

So, no one bothered to look at Columbia's left wing while the ship was on orbit.

We don't yet know whether the debris that struck Columbia's left wing during ascent is the root cause of the catastophe that befell Columbia's crew on February 1st -- whether the shedding of that debris is the problem NASA is now diligently looking for in order to fix so we can fly again.

But another problem that needs fixing has already been discovered -- NASA's reluctance to use the astronauts more fully in assessing the condition of the shuttle's thermal protection system while on orbit.

NASA needs to fix this problem, as well as whatever problems it finds, before we fly again.

They owe it to Columbia's fallen crew, and to all the brave souls who will venture into space after them.

Eastport, Maine

February, 2003


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1 posted on 02/23/2003 11:39:56 AM PST by SwimmingUpstream
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To: SwimmingUpstream; LaBelleDameSansMerci; annalex; Superdisc; Askel5
A wee lament from an old space cadet who actually got to watch Neil Armstrong practice on the lunar lander at Ames Research Center.

Seemed especially appropriate to post this in the wake of the revelations that Boeing's engineers may have done a rather sad job of damage analysis.
2 posted on 02/24/2003 7:39:41 AM PST by SwimmingUpstream
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To: SwimmingUpstream
The impression I got from all the press conferences was that there is no alternative to landing the shuttle conventionally. Which begged the question: certainly, at some point there is an alternative: dock with the Space Station and stay there.

And another question: What exactly makes the underside inspection riskier than any other spacewalk?
3 posted on 02/25/2003 7:41:51 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
dock with the Space Station and stay there.

Columbia did not have suffcient fuel to change to the ISS' orbit.

4 posted on 02/25/2003 7:43:32 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: annalex
What exactly makes the underside inspection riskier than any other spacewalk?

The chance/likelihood that you'll inadvertently do more damage to the thermal protection system than you could find/repair.

5 posted on 02/25/2003 7:44:26 AM PST by Cincinatus
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To: annalex
What exactly makes the underside inspection riskier than any other spacewalk?

IIRC, two of the crew were EVA-qualified and had suits. However, since the Canadarm wasn't installed and MMUs have been discontinued, they would have had to have made a tethered EVA. Since they had no way to repair damaged tiles in orbit, I don't see the point of an EVA anyway.

6 posted on 02/25/2003 7:46:57 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: Cincinatus
There are also a signifiacnt lack of handholds on the belly of the orbiters.
7 posted on 02/25/2003 7:47:47 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann
Quite so. BTW, I meant my previous answer in regard to the general issue of tile inspection in orbit, not in regard to actions specifically taken on the last flight of Columbia.
8 posted on 02/25/2003 7:51:01 AM PST by Cincinatus
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To: Cincinatus
I didn't realize that the tiles are so fragile until a vastly more knowledgable Freeper clued me in.
9 posted on 02/25/2003 7:52:51 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: RoughDobermann; Cincinatus
How plausible would this scenario be:

Early in the mission, the crew makes a spacewalk in order to examine -- not fix -- the underside.

Upon inspection revealing trouble, they dock with the space station while they still have fuel, and await rescue.
10 posted on 02/25/2003 10:24:51 AM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
Nope, afraid not. While an EVA was physically possible, Columbia did not have enough fuel onboard at any time during the mission to alter its orbit enough to reach the space station.
11 posted on 02/25/2003 10:28:39 AM PST by RoughDobermann
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To: SwimmingUpstream
Years before Al Shepard soared away from Cape Canaveral atop a harshly vibrating Redstone rocket, a tradition was developing within NASA of making the astronaut as redundant as practicable in controlling the flight of manned spacecraft.

This tradition was not developing out of animus or envy towards the astronaut corp. It was developing as a matter of practicality, efficiency, mission requirements, and a natural bias among engineers in favor of the machine.

Actually, it was duelling traditions: conventional engineering practice (i.e., 1950s automation of payload delivery systems which gave us ICBMs) was counter to the JFK dictum to land men on the moon. As soon as people noticed, this was justified IIRC by touting astronauts as in-orbit repair-people. They just put on their space suits and do a space walk to fix the problem.

Considering they had no way to fix tiles in space, and second, and additional weight of spacewalk equipment degraded their ability to do their chartered mission, there would have been little point to a spacewalk and considerable downside negative publicity of finding and confirming a problem out there that could not be addressed.

12 posted on 02/28/2003 4:29:04 AM PST by SteveH
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To: SteveH
Actually, it was duelling traditions: conventional engineering practice (i.e., 1950s automation of payload delivery systems which gave us ICBMs) was counter to the JFK dictum to land men on the moon. As soon as people noticed, this was justified IIRC by touting astronauts as in-orbit repair-people. They just put on their space suits and do a space walk to fix the problem.

Real pilots always had a bias toward astronauts, believing that they were merely passengers along for the ride. I don't know if Yeager actually said it, but remember the line in "The Right Stuff" relating to "spam-in-a-can"? Real test pilots would never relinquish control to some earth-bound engineer types. Back in the 60s I was on the America when we were testing "hands off" carrier landings and we had a heck of a time trying to find pilots who would relinquish the control of the aircraft. It's just not in their book that someone else (or technology) can drive it better.
13 posted on 02/28/2003 5:02:26 AM PST by GreyWolf (You don't have to be a Boy Scout to Be Prepared!)
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To: SteveH; annalex; GreyWolf; LaBelleDameSansMerci
Dear SteveH,

[SteveH]Considering they had no way to fix tiles in space, and second, and additional weight of spacewalk equipment degraded their ability to do their chartered mission, there would have been little point to a spacewalk and considerable downside negative publicity of finding and confirming a problem out there that could not be addressed.

You seem informed, are you involved in the space program? I ask because this last paragraph of yours is an excellent example of a very dangerous culture within NASA.

The inability to repair tile damage weighs not at all in the question. If it did, then there was no point in doing any of the engineering analysis -- for there was NOTHING to be done... which is what you state in your closing words. But, of course, NASA never has suggested that there was NO OPTION to the fatal re-entry option, for there were some known options -- and perhaps others may have come to someone's imagination had NASA been aware of significant damage to the thermal protection system.

As for the weight of the EVA equipment degrading any mission... this is arsy varsy reasoning. The mission is suited to the capability of the machine and crew requirements. The payload capacity is calculated after the weight of the shuttle is calculated, so the weight of the EVA equipment ought always to be part of the calculation that LIMITS payload, not the other way around.

Lastly, ask the asronauts whether they would like to know the actual status of their spacecraft. I have, and to a man they have said they want to know -- even if that knowledge is knowledge of impending doom. And, to a man, they have reiterated one thing -- when push comes to shove the imagination is a tremendously powerful tool, unthought-of options come flowing from an enlivened imagination. We saw this in small ways during Apollo 13.

Your reply was much appreciated -- I think it pointed in spades to a problem that needs fixing before we fly again.

Kindest Regards

14 posted on 02/28/2003 6:12:05 AM PST by SwimmingUpstream
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To: SwimmingUpstream
This sounds stupid but...
1. Always send up the EVU and a pilot for it.
2. Make a Mix of JB Weld (Great Stuff) with Asbestos and/or a "cut to size" group of tiles... or other fireproof stuff (better than nothing)
3. Throw it on and do a lower heat entry on that wing (if possible)

At least give them a chance...

The other thought I had was a metal cover or somthing that could sheild the tiles during launch and then either melt off during reentry or somehow ejected on orbit.



Just a thought from Kansas.
15 posted on 02/28/2003 6:23:29 AM PST by KansasConservative1
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To: SwimmingUpstream
I think this article is a bit too critical of the 'engineer' mindset. Yes, some engineers might trust their inventions a little too much, but no good engineer would forego a hands-on inspection if feasible. There's no substitute for eyeballing something.
16 posted on 02/28/2003 6:23:44 AM PST by Sloth (I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!)
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To: SwimmingUpstream
I was a bit of a NASA buff as a youngster, and always felt that the Shuttle program was the wrong tack to take -- just as we had perfected single use rockets capable of hoisting tremendous payloads into orbit and beyond, the focus shifted to a "reuseable" craft, which isn't really all that practical as such given all the costly rebuilding needed after every launch.

The ostensible point of the Shuttle was that it could "get a lot of things and people into space" -- it really hasn't turned out as expected -- even without disasters, the simple fact is that too much of the payload of shuttle mission is the shuttle craft itself.

NASA should go back to using expendable rockets and re-entry capsules for the astronauts.
17 posted on 02/28/2003 6:24:59 AM PST by LN2Campy
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To: SwimmingUpstream
I was a bit of a NASA buff as a youngster, and always felt that the Shuttle program was the wrong tack to take -- just as we had perfected single use rockets capable of hoisting tremendous payloads into orbit and beyond, the focus shifted to a "reuseable" craft, which isn't really all that practical as such given all the costly rebuilding needed after every launch.

The ostensible point of the Shuttle was that it could "get a lot of things and people into space" -- it really hasn't turned out as expected -- even without disasters, the simple fact is that too much of the payload of shuttle mission is the shuttle craft itself.

NASA should go back to using expendable rockets and re-entry capsules for the astronauts.
18 posted on 02/28/2003 6:26:21 AM PST by LN2Campy
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To: SwimmingUpstream
You seem informed, are you involved in the space program?

Good grief, no, just a systems guy with a lot of spare time now (sigh).

The inability to repair tile damage weighs not at all in the question. If it did, then there was no point in doing any of the engineering analysis -- for there was NOTHING to be done... which is what you state in your closing words. But, of course, NASA never has suggested that there was NO OPTION to the fatal re-entry option, for there were some known options -- and perhaps others may have come to someone's imagination had NASA been aware of significant damage to the thermal protection system.

Well, sure, I don't have much problem with that. I suppose I was just trying to give the standard NASA reasoning.

Please see my first paragraph in which I point out the essential contradiction of the NASA goals. The shuttle represents a retrograde goal set (manned payload delivery). At an extreme end, imho, it ignores expensive lessons we learned using manned bombers during WWII. The main point was, and is, that the shuttle should be fully automated; the astronauts are superfluous to most missions.

If you check my posts going back in time on Columbia, you'll see that I have been consistent.

19 posted on 02/28/2003 8:34:08 AM PST by SteveH
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To: SwimmingUpstream; RoughDobermann; Cincinatus; SteveH; GreyWolf; LaBelleDameSansMerci; ...
We have new developments

Chicago Sun-Times

Columbia rescue may have been possible, NASA says

May 24, 2003

BY MARCIA DUNN

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla.--NASA could have launched another shuttle to rescue the Columbia astronauts if it had realized the severity of the wing damage early on and decided it was worth the extreme risk to the second ship and crew, the chief accident investigator said Friday.

Retired Navy Adm. Harold Gehman Jr., chairman of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board, said the question was put to the National Aeronautics and Space Administration earlier this month and that the agency's preliminary findings show that such a rescue would have been technically feasible.

But he added: ''I've got no idea if it would have been successful or not.''

Gehman stressed that a rushed rescue mission by shuttle Atlantis and four of NASA's best and most seasoned astronauts would have been ''very, very risky--but not impossible.''

He said astronauts would have been ''standing out in the hallways to volunteer.''

In the days after the Feb. 1 tragedy, NASA managers insisted nothing could have been done to fix Columbia's wing and save its seven astronauts.

But earlier this week, NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe said he would have strongly considered sending Atlantis to the astronauts' rescue, even if it meant losing another shuttle and crew.

AP

Copyright © The Sun-Times Company All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

20 posted on 05/24/2003 7:10:56 AM PDT by annalex
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