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Abolish Social Security
Abolish Social Security ^ | 2-12-03 | Republican_Strategist

Posted on 02/12/2003 8:50:48 PM PST by Republican_Strategist

Attention all freepers, please visit my new web site dedicated to the cause of abolishing Social Security. I urge everyone to also submit their name for my Cyber Wall of Abolitionists. I welcome all feedback, suggestions, etc.

A href=“http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/abolishsocialsecurity/index.html”>Abolish Social Security


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Free Republic; Government
KEYWORDS: congress; socialsecurity
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1 posted on 02/12/2003 8:50:49 PM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Abolish Social Security
2 posted on 02/12/2003 8:52:10 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Republican_Strategist
I fixed it this time.

Abolish Social Security

3 posted on 02/12/2003 8:53:57 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
Thanks. I also wanted to say the web site isn't nearly complete and I'll be adding plenty more in the time to come.
4 posted on 02/12/2003 8:54:32 PM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Abolish Social Security

Visualize World Peace.

5 posted on 02/12/2003 8:56:51 PM PST by Texasforever
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If Social Security is going to survive then it must be cleaned up. The fraud is unbelievable in SSI benefits!
I would vote for anyone who promises to get rid of abuse.
6 posted on 02/12/2003 9:04:07 PM PST by mickie
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My suggestion is to re-print Cong. Ron Paul's recent disclosure about the plan to give illegals Social Security even after they've returned to Mexico after working here for a time. According to Cong. Paul the fedgov wants to include the time they spent working in Mexico for their calculations. Spread the word on this sell-out of American taxpayers and there should be quite an uproar.
7 posted on 02/12/2003 9:41:02 PM PST by american spirit
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http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
8 posted on 02/12/2003 9:59:19 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
step by step...partial privatization...full privatization...abolition.
9 posted on 02/12/2003 10:33:27 PM PST by Capitalism2003
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To: demkicker; TheGrimReaper; Willie Green; El Sordo; dcwusmc; Texas Eagle; spunkets; sarasmom; Mark; ..
Thought you might be interested..
10 posted on 02/13/2003 9:38:30 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
It didn't seem to appear on the Social Security Bump List.
11 posted on 02/13/2003 9:40:15 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Republican_Strategist
Abolish Social Security

First give me back the roughly 14% (7% from me, 7% from my boss for me) of my salary per year that the Govt. took from me, promising to give it back when I'm an old fart.

12 posted on 02/13/2003 9:42:33 AM PST by 69ConvertibleFirebird
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It's not clear whether you advocate true, total abolishment,
or the bogus abolishment and diversion of mandatory SS tax funds in Dubya's "privatization" scam.
13 posted on 02/13/2003 9:46:34 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Republican_Strategist
It didn't seem to appear on the Social Security Bump List.

I think something is still fubar with the FR database.
There seems to be a significant lag time between the indication that "new posts to you" says you have a response and when clicking on it will actually bring up what that response is. Probably affecting ping lists as well. It's been doing that for a day or so now. It's frustrating. I hope it gets fixed soon.

14 posted on 02/13/2003 9:52:10 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
In 1960 in Flemming vs. Nestor, Mr. Nestor sued the Federal government claiming he had a right to collect Social Security benefits since he had paid his Social Security "contributions." The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that he, and all workers, have no such property right. "I paid in, I contributed, and therefore I deserve my benefits," is, therefore, a common mis-belief among Americans. Congress can change, as the current debate reveals, any and all criteria as to benefit amounts, tax rates, retirement age, etc. They can cut or eliminate benefits regardless of workers' so-called "contributions."

And the money you collect when you draw Social Security will be simply taken forcibly by Uncle Sam from a young worker and redistributed to you.
15 posted on 02/13/2003 9:52:32 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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To: Willie Green
I think the web site clearly shows I want to see the complete abolishment of Social Security. The government has no business doing what it is doing.
16 posted on 02/13/2003 9:54:07 AM PST by Republican_Strategist
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I think the web site clearly shows I want to see the complete abolishment of Social Security.

As a conservative, that is an ideal that I can agree with.
As a realist, I doubt that would be a politically achievable goal.
Therefor, in lieu of abolishment, I prepared a rant that proposes that SS be efficiently operated as exactly what it is: a socialist income redistribution system, NOT a retirement "savings" plan. By making monthly distributions variable and equal to monthly contributions (rather than fixed), it ends the pyramid scheme associated with the so-called "Trust Fund".

Not an ideal solution by more conservative preferences for abolishment, but at least it has financial stability.

Here's the rant:

If the current SS System = Enron, then Dubya's "privatization" plan = Arthur Anderson.

Both major political parties perpetuate The Big Lie regarding Social Security. The Big Lie has existed since Social Security's inception. The debate over "privatization" is only the latest version of The Big Lie.

The Big Lie is that Social Security is some kind of retirement savings plan.

It is NOT.

Social Security is a socialist income redistribution scheme, nothing else.

Those who are working are taxed to provide a "safety net" for those who are less fortunate.
Originally, this meant retirees and surviving dependents.
Congress has, of course, complicated it far beyond this over the last 65 years.

But one fact remains: it is NOT a "savings plan", it is an income redistribution scheme.

A major facet of The Big Lie is that "we have to do something so that Social Security remains solvent in the future.

Poppycock!

In today's age of modern computerization, the computation for operating an income redistribution scheme that remains perpetually solvent is quite simple:

This month's total SS tax receipts = Next month's total SS tax disbursements

The only change necessary to the current system is that monthly payments to eligible recipients would be a variable amount, not fixed.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO NEED FOR A MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR "TRUST" FUND!!!

Congress should NEVER have been permitted to confiscate so much money from the American People in the name of The Big Lie. This fund is nothing but a slush fund that Congress raids to pay for other government expenditures. If private sector employers did the same thing with their companies' pension funds, they'd be placed in prison. The "privatization" plan proposed by Bush is merely an attempt by Wall Street brokerage firms and financial institutions to get in on the scam: grab a portion of a constant revenue stream (guaranteed by taxation) from which they can skim their commissions.

Daschle's "concern" over the Social Security system is a lie.

Bush's plan to Enronize the system is worse.

The American People need to wake up and put these liars and thieves in prison.


17 posted on 02/13/2003 10:12:33 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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Yes. IT does. Just not in the Way it is Currently being done.

Civilised societies have a vested interest, in ensuring that it's citizens are in some way provided for in their non productive years. Currently we extort money from a worker to pay off a retiree, that is criminal.

Privatization of said benefit with property rights, and restrictions, OTOH, is an essential part of an Ordered, Civil, Modern Society.

This is true on many levels, but consider the easiest two.
Elderly Non working outnumber the working, as A Voting block they can either
A: Vote themselves Laregess from the Treasury, Much as they do now. or.....
B: Vote in some Hitleresque nut. (he was elected in just such a society, remember).

Just because an Idea is Social in nature, does not prevent it from being sensical under the General Welfare Clause, because as the example shows, the first instance having been laid out by the Framers, and the Second having occured many times in History instructs us that some measure of Social Welfare , in the end, is a measure against Socialism (or worse...)

18 posted on 02/13/2003 10:16:37 AM PST by hobbes1
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It seems bump lists and self search for last night are missing.
19 posted on 02/13/2003 11:04:36 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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bttt
20 posted on 02/13/2003 4:06:18 PM PST by sarasmom (I will journey to the grave of Jimmy Carter in order to spit on it.May my journey be soon.)
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