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Low Down and Dirty with Dogs: Practical Techniques for Curbing Dangerous Dogs
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Posted on 01/11/2003 8:05:26 PM PST by Kevin Curry

This article is written for anyone who may find themselves confronted by a dangerous dog, be it wild, civilian owned, or a military/police pooch. These techniques work! But don't use them unless you have to. Laws presently favor humans over dogs. Little sympathy is currently given to dog owners who allow or let their dogs run loose to terrorize motorists, pedestrians or other dogs. However, in our sue-happy world even defending yourself may cause you legal trouble from an enraged dog owner. Furthermore, dimwitted animal rights fanatics are persuading some cities, towns, and states to pass laws that give animals almost as much legal protection as humans. Check the laws in your area! My advice to those forced to destroy dogs using the methods below is to remain as anonymous as the situation will allow.

Dogs can attack or menace you because of a number of factors. They are either trained to be mean to you, they are sick/nuts, or you are invading their turf. In the case of trained dogs, some are trained to "pin" you in the area where they find you, while others are trained to simply chomp your butt. Nature and breeding has lent Dobermans and Border Collies (and mixes thereof) to being pinners. They’ll let you into an area but won't let you out. Shepherds, Rottweilers, "Pit" Bull Mastiffs and the like will usually try to bite you and hold on. Sick/nutty dogs are uncategorizable, as are dogs whose turf is invaded. Under these circumstances even the smallest Yorkshire Terrier will think it's Cujo.

Evolution has made most dogs’ skeletal systems a suit of armor and they have a high threshold for pain. Whichever defense method is decided upon, explosively violent physical effort must be used, and you must be prepared to keep it up until the dog is seriously injured or dead. Note that the dog is far less dangerous if allowed to make contact on its first charge. If it falls off or is merely deterred, it will be more cautious and alert. Throughout their life, viciously aggressive dogs have been allowed to succeed. Such pre-programmed confidence emboldens the dog to overcome obstacles. Give it the chance to "win" by seeming to allow it to bite and grab you, then destroy it.

If the situation allows it, try to run away from an aggressive dog if you can--although this can sometimes further aggravate pinning dogs. Try yelling at the dog in an authoritative voice, using lots of eye contact. This may work on dogs that are "all bark and no bite", but will only enrage a truly gnarly junkyard-type dog.

When menaced by a vicious dog that tries to herd you by encirclement, immediately shoot it at least twice in the neck with a large caliber (.40 caliber and up) handgun. Be ready to follow up with additional shots as required. If a dog is barking, snapping, and inching closer to you, shoot straight down its throat. Allowing the dog to bite the end of your pistol would be ideal, but if using a semi-auto, care must be taken that this does not move the slide back, causing the gun to go "out of battery" and failing to fire.

Hmmmm. Have the socialist do-gooders in your area taken away your ability to defend yourself with a firearm? Here’s an alternative for you. First, pad the lower part of your weak arm using a belt, scarf, or coat. Allow the dog to clamp on to this area of padding. Then try shoving a long knife or sharpened stake under the dog's lower ribcage up into its lungs, aiming from rear to front. Or, stick your thumb and middle fingers deep into its eye sockets the way you would pick up a 10-pin bowling ball. Blind the dog.

Next to a firearm, the following method is the most effective if it’s available. Pad as above. Run towards the nearest swimming pool, pond, river or ditch that has water above your groin, or is at least slightly deeper than the dog is tall. The water must not be dangerously swift or above your chest--you must be able to stand on the bottom while the dog must be obliged to swim. Allow the dog to grip the padding. Jump into the water and force the dog's head under until it drowns. Under no circumstance should you let the dog go! If it releases its grip, grab it by the collar or scruff of the neck and continue holding its head under water. If the dog is allowed to get to shore it will hold you captive in the water.

Another move, called the "wishbone" or "crucifix", is useful if you’re rescuing somebody from an attack. It goes as follows: get into a position where you are standing with the dog between your legs as if you were going to ride it like a small pony. Quickly reach down and grab its two front paws and pull them out and away from its body while simultaneously driving one of your knees (or your chest) onto the dog's back at the shoulder. This should dislocate one or possibly both of its front legs. This same move can be applied from the front of the animal. However, doing so will bring the dog's face closer to yours, possibly allowing it to bite your face.

Remember; self-defense is not just a right. It is an instinct.


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I love my own dogs. Aggressive dogs on the loose and menacing people are another story. I have no pity for such animals And I might not even give them three seconds before I put their lights out.
1 posted on 01/11/2003 8:05:26 PM PST by Kevin Curry
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2 posted on 01/11/2003 8:09:14 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Kevin Curry
Frightenly useful article. When out and alone, or even jogging with others, some sharp or blunt object (if a gun is not available) should be carried as a dfense against four and two legged animals.
3 posted on 01/11/2003 8:14:18 PM PST by umgud
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To: Kevin Curry
Something that I first heard, then tried on a group of attacking dogs:

Throw something at the dog, rocks or stick is best, but dirt, a newspaper, anything will do in an emergency.

I dunno why, but this apparently works in a lot of cases.
4 posted on 01/11/2003 8:14:37 PM PST by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
I have also heard that a dog will often stop if you just stoop down as if to pick up a rock or a stick.
5 posted on 01/11/2003 8:16:34 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Kevin Curry
Excellent. I'll make sure I keep a handgun, a long knife and a swimming pool on my person at all times. You never know when it couldhappen, so you have to be prepared.
6 posted on 01/11/2003 8:18:20 PM PST by Slainte
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To: Slainte
Better still, always hang around with a fatter, juicier friend.
7 posted on 01/11/2003 8:19:36 PM PST by APBaer
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To: Kevin Curry
"Another move, called the "wishbone" or "crucifix", is useful if you’re rescuing somebody from an attack. It goes as follows: get into a position where you are standing with the dog between your legs as if you were going to ride it like a small pony. Quickly reach down and grab its two front paws and pull them out and away from its body while simultaneously driving one of your knees (or your chest) onto the dog's back at the shoulder. This should dislocate one or possibly both of its front legs."

I've used this same maneuver on aggresive cats.....

8 posted on 01/11/2003 8:19:59 PM PST by yooper
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To: APBaer
"Better still hang out with a fatter, juicier friend"

Yes, remember you don't have to outrun the dog, you just have to outrun your friend! :)

9 posted on 01/11/2003 8:27:18 PM PST by hometoroost
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To: Kevin Curry
Is it advisable to use Pepper Spray on a attacking dog?
10 posted on 01/11/2003 8:28:03 PM PST by tubebender
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To: Kevin Curry
When I expressed my fears about this on a thread awhile back, a couple of suggestions were a spray bottle of ammonia and carrying some beef jerky.

I never used to be afraid of these dogs but so many people didn't have these big ones when I was growing up. A lady jogging early in the morning was attacked and severely injured by two dogs that had gotten loose on one of the busiest intersections in our town. A quick-thinking motorist grabbed a shovel and got the lady in his truck. She had serious injuries.

My girlfriend was attacked by a German shepherd. She managed to climb up on top of a car. She related the incident that she told the owner, "I want that dog dead."

11 posted on 01/11/2003 8:28:48 PM PST by Aliska
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To: Slainte
Excellent. I'll make sure I keep a handgun, a long knife and a swimming pool on my person at all times.

I use to carry around a swimming pool just for such occasions. Now I find it's easier to show 'em this picture of the master B!tch, and they tuck their tails between their legs, yelp and take off running...


12 posted on 01/11/2003 8:29:05 PM PST by Drango (don't need no stinkin' tag line)
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To: D-fendr
Mean dogs have a history of having things thrown at them. You can bend down and PRETEND to pick up a rock and that will send many a dog running.

One useful tactic I learned, and used, is to allow the dog to grip your extended forarm, the weak one. Despite all training efforts, dogs will always bite the first part of you they can reach. You probably wont have time to wrap a belt around your arm, and will lose some flesh. Then, bring your other elbow crashing down on the dogs head. Repeat as needed. This will stun him or break his snout. When it does let go, you can finish him off at your leisure. Be sure to collect the head for rabies tests. Send the bill to the owner, should be named on the collar.
13 posted on 01/11/2003 8:30:39 PM PST by ArtDodger
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To: Kevin Curry
Bump
14 posted on 01/11/2003 8:35:53 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Wanted: Used "Tag Lines" in good condition. Top prices paid for Quality. Inquire Within.)
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To: D-fendr
Throwing a handful of rocks directly in front of a dog is pretty effective, too. Don't know whether it would curb a seriously dangerous dog, though.
15 posted on 01/11/2003 8:45:57 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Kevin Curry
My Golden Retriever is the biggest baby of all the dogs I've owned, but I've been bitten by a German Shepherd and cornered and chased by a few others. Acting psycho -- screaming, flailing arms, angry eye contact and charging at the dog -- has always worked for me.

I learned from a friend that dogs are near impossible to choke to death. He told me recently that he pulled a Dobie off a 3 year old boy once, and tried to choke the dog when it tried to attack him. Only thing that stopped the dog was cranial administration of a 158 grain lead injection from a .38.

16 posted on 01/11/2003 8:50:45 PM PST by AK2KX
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To: Kevin Curry
For walkers and joggers...buy yourself a stun gun and carry it.....dogs run when you turn it on and press the big red button.
17 posted on 01/11/2003 8:53:39 PM PST by D. Miles
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To: AK2KX
...dogs are near impossible to choke to death.

I've heard that it may be possible, while the dog is clamped onto your forearm, to bury your thumb and fingers into the dog's throat (from the outside), grasp his wind pipe, then twist and break it. The dog will suffocate.

18 posted on 01/11/2003 9:15:43 PM PST by Prince Caspian
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To: D-fendr; Kevin Curry
On a similar tack...a couple years ago, I read about a hiker over on the Olympic Peninsula who was attacked by a mountain lion. The guy was a pretty good wrestler, and not knowing what else to do, he got the lion flat on his back and suddenly had him pinned down spread eagle. He said it was pretty tense for a couple minutes when he realized he was eyeball to eyeball on top of a surprised lion, and didn't know how to get out of the predicament. He somehow made a quick move, and he ran one way, and the lion took off at warp speed in the opposite direction.
19 posted on 01/11/2003 9:26:02 PM PST by holyscroller
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To: tubebender
I saw pepper spray used on a kodiak bear by an MP while I was stationed in Alaska. It stopped him in his tracks. It will certainly do no less for a dog and won't permenantly injure him.
20 posted on 01/11/2003 9:55:23 PM PST by Patriot28
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