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Wolves and Snakes is there a Connection?
email | 1-5-2003 | John Nelson

Posted on 01/05/2003 11:36:58 AM PST by Delphinium

Tom Bergerud from British Columbia, Canada, had more dire predictions about wolves. “I predict that you’re going to have major impacts from wolves in this state (Idaho,) I predict a major elk decline”. He said, "I saw wolves repeatedly depress moose, caribou and elk populations while studying them throughout Canada, (from where these wolves came) and in some cases they wiped out local populations of caribou. “I’ve watched herd after herd (of caribou) go "EXTINCT" across Canada", he said. The problem is that wolves have no known predators to keep them in balance with the ecosystem. Indigenous wolves weighed only 80 lbs., and roamed in pairs of (2). The sub-species Canadian Gray Wolves are in packs of 14 or more, weighting 135 pounds. Given the fact it takes 2,500 elk per year to feed 100 wolves, coupled with the fact that there are in excess of 1200 or more wolves. At least 30,000 elk will be killed each year, (The estimated 30,000 is if the present wolf population remains constant at or around 1200, which we know will not be the case based upon historic reproductive trends.) They have been known to kill humans. In northern India wolf populations have gone uncontrolled for years. Wildlife is all but gone, leaving domesticated livestock and humans for prey. Since 1996 over 80 people have been killed and eaten by wolves in northern India. We must realize the species of wolf introduced in the tri-state areas (Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming) is an exotic sub-species. They are not indigenous to these areas. One must also take notice of past history when any non-indigenous animal or mammal is introduced whether intentionally or inadvertently, such as the "Brown Tree Snake" which was inadvertently introduced to the Island of Guam by aircraft. The island has seen the eradication of literally millions of jungle birds by the non-indigenous "Brown Tree Snake." Snakes have killed every jungle bird. They are now "EXTINCT." They are also killing humans! The snake has no known predators to keep the ecosystem in balance. Populations of the snake have multiplied to over 3 million. Biologists now are introducing chemical warfare to eradicate the non-indigenous "Brown Tree Snake." The same will apply here to the tri-state areas where the exotic non-indigenous "Canadian Gray Wolves" were introduced in 1995. They are making enormous negative impacts upon the elk and moose herds in and around Yellowstone National Park, and in central Idaho. "Documented" cow to calf ratios are at record lows 0 to 12 calves per 100 cows, it takes 35 - 40 calves to maintain a healthy elk herd, unless predation by the wolves is stopped immediately the MOOSE and ELK HERDS will become "EXTINCT." We want to see other animals in the wild besides "WOLVES". For those of us who live, work, and recreate in the tri-states (ID, MT, and WY) we are faced with drastic changes in the great outdoors in the very near future. This wolf is a prolific breeder which has no known predators to control its population.

John Nelson


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Idaho; US: Montana; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: elk; enviralists; hunting; idaho; montana; wildlife; wolves; wyoming

1 posted on 01/05/2003 11:36:58 AM PST by Delphinium
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To: *Enviralists; madfly; farmfriend
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2 posted on 01/05/2003 11:41:19 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Delphinium
BTTT!
3 posted on 01/05/2003 11:41:37 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Delphinium
"S3"

(Shoot, Shovel, and Shaddup) sorta' bump.

4 posted on 01/05/2003 1:00:43 PM PST by S.O.S121.500
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To: Delphinium
What is it with the wolf protectors? Obviously they have a lot more influence than the elk fans.
5 posted on 01/05/2003 1:17:16 PM PST by xJones
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To: Delphinium
Since 1996 over 80 people have been killed and eaten by wolves in northern India.


How many people have been killed and eaten by the Noth American Wolf, ever?

Humans are not in the diet of New World wolves as humans arrived in the new world late in history and at a time when they had developed defenses against wolves. (IMHO).

6 posted on 01/05/2003 1:45:47 PM PST by Mike Darancette
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To: Delphinium
Agenda 21, Biospheres and Corridors and all the "re-wilding of predators" projects are designed to keep humans near approved population centers and out of the rural areas.

It has nothing to do with ecological balance.
7 posted on 01/05/2003 1:46:23 PM PST by martian_22
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To: Delphinium
"I saw wolves repeatedly depress moose, caribou and elk populations..."


CALLING DR. PHIL!!!!!!!!!!!!

8 posted on 01/05/2003 2:02:57 PM PST by Fintan
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To: Mike Darancette; spatzie
Since 1996 over 80 people have been killed and eaten by wolves in northern India.

I bet the Indiana Chamber of Commerce and office of tourism is really getting concerned about the potential for a little confusion about exactly where those attacks took place.

9 posted on 01/05/2003 2:25:30 PM PST by archy
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To: Delphinium
At the time of the Pilgrims there were wolves from one end of America to the other, literally from New England to California.

As the country was settled, the wolves were eradicated. Exactly as they were in Europe.

There is no benefit of any kind in re introducing wolves into our national forests. Except in the minds of the eco freaks who would just as soon not have you and I going into those forests.

As these wolves impact the hunting revenues of these states, eventually the wolves will be put on authorized hunt lists too.

The eco freaks have given us record forest fires in their childish notions of "wilderness", now the wolves that were re introduced during Clintons reign are coming home to roost.
10 posted on 01/05/2003 2:37:48 PM PST by Pylot
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To: martian_22
Agenda 21, Biospheres and Corridors and all the "re-wilding of predators" projects are designed to keep humans near approved population centers and out of the rural areas.

10-4. The solution is to turn loose the varmiters. Wolves can be controlled but the "eco-crazies" have to be pushed out of the way - somehow.

11 posted on 01/05/2003 2:39:25 PM PST by toddst
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The "eco-crazies" want to help the wolves, wolves need a source of food, I wonder ...?
12 posted on 01/05/2003 2:42:28 PM PST by The Obstinate Insomniac
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To: The Obstinate Insomniac
The "eco-crazies" want to help the wolves, wolves need a source of food, I wonder ...?

Hey, round them slugs up, head 'um out. Sounds like a plan.

13 posted on 01/05/2003 2:55:24 PM PST by toddst
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To: Delphinium
There really was a reason these pests were wiped out in the first place.
14 posted on 01/05/2003 3:11:30 PM PST by LibKill
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To: S.O.S121.500
Humans would have a hard time shooting enough of them at this point. Poison is about the only answer: the Lucretia Borgia solution.
15 posted on 01/05/2003 3:18:30 PM PST by merak
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