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Americans fire back over column (Americans slam Canada)
Toronto star ^ | 12-16-02 | Richard Gwyn

Posted on 12/16/2002 5:55:19 AM PST by Jimmyclyde

Americans fire back over column

RICHARD GWYN

You all suck even more than France. That is one American's opinion of Canada.

Another, from Salem, Mass., holds the view that, "Americans are superior to Canadians because we don't play or watch curling."

And from Kansas City comes the comment, "Canada is the bookish, nerdy sister of the prom queen that is America." Many, from all over, remark on how Canada — "hiding behind Big Mama's skirts" — depends on the U.S. for its defence.

But then a Texan chimes in with, "I'm a right-wing American who loves being part of the biggest, baddest, nation on the block.

Yet that voice from the distant, frigid north is oddly reassuring, sort of like having a more even-keeled young brother."

And a "Jon" recalled that the Roman emperors had a servant whisper in their ear, "Remember, Caesar, you are mortal" — a practice that could usefully be recreated in Ottawa — and then opined: "The U.S. needs to be challenged for its own good the same way ... (a role) Canadians are particularly well-suited to."

What Canadians think does matter to Americans. In certain circumstances at certain times.

My evidence for saying this is that I've culled those quotes from the some 1,400 e-mails sent to me as a result of my column of last Sunday titled, "It's not our fault that we're morally superior to Americans."

What promoted the column was some hand-wringing by Deputy Prime Minister John Manley that any Canadian sentiments of superiority were actually a sign of a sense of inferiority, and should be silenced so as not to annoy Americans.

My rebuttal was that Canadian sentiments of superiority were actually a sign of a sense of superiority, and why on Earth not say so out loud, since Americans are certain they are superior to everyone in the world and can hardly be shocked to be challenged.

I expected some shots back, from both sides of the border. I got the verbal equivalent of a salvo of cruise missiles. As a journalist, I've never experienced its equal. The Drudge Report on the Web picked up the column, and, in a tribute to its power, triggered well over 1,000 of those e-mails. American radio and TV stations called for interviews.

Best of all, I got by accident, a fascinating insight into American opinions about Canada but also about their own country.

First, a sample of the antis:

"We Americans don't give a rat's ass what you think about us."

"You do nothing and carp about others. You're like a nation populated entirely by university professors and newspaper columnists."

"You people can be as superior as you like while you surrender your firearms, pay for your socialist health care, and freeze your collective asses off."

"Canadians are sort of a nation of Homer Simpsons."

Then the pros:

"One of the reasons Canadians are such good neighbours is that they are not afraid to disagree with us. Our differences are not violent, fearful or antagonistic, and that means they must be constructive."

"I remember the first time being around Canadian people and as a black man that was the first time in my 44 years I was treated like a real person. I wish I were a Canadian."

"Overall you guys are great. If in fact you are superior in some areas, I see that as a challenge. You know how we hate to come in second."

The level of knowledge about Canada was far higher than is generally assumed. To my comment that Canadians have more of a sense of being a collectivity, many respondents replied: "What about Quebec?" On the differences in health-care systems, one of many defending the U.S. practice observed shrewdly, "Canadians do have a two-tier system. It's just that your first-tier is in places like Minneapolis and Syracuse and Boston where you can get an MRI on three day's notice."

The level of humour was high as well. "I'm impressed that Canada's firearms registration program has ballooned from $2 million to one billion. I thought only the U.S. Congress was that inept."

Most interesting, perhaps, is that dealing with a Canadian's comments about the U.S. triggered perceptive comments by Americans about themselves:

"Please be patient with us as we search for a way to respond to what we feel is a critically dangerous time in history. We can have big mouths, but we also have big hearts."

"Americans do have a bit of a superiority complex. But not in the way you understand. We want to be the best at everything we do. Our attitudes demand victory, victory, victory."

"It seems we NEED an enemy to feel good about ourselves. The fall of the Soviet Union was the worst thing that could have happened to us. No one to beat at the Olympics. No one to talk tough to."

The only way to end is to balance evenly, in a properly Canadian way, the praise and the blame:

"Just as Canadians are better at viewing themselves as a collective, they are also better at viewing themselves not just as members of a nation but as citizens of the world."

And to confirm that it's curling that really distinguishes the two nations of North America, "Go back to sliding things across the ice and calling it a sport."


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funny comments from the vile Americans.

HAHAHA

1 posted on 12/16/2002 5:55:19 AM PST by Jimmyclyde
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To: Jimmyclyde
""We Americans don't give a rat's ass what you think about us."

Couldn't have said it better myself.

2 posted on 12/16/2002 6:32:45 AM PST by #1CTYankee
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To: Jimmyclyde
Canada is the best friend any country ever had. They fought the Nazis before the US entered the War. They got many of our embassy people out of Iran during the Hostage Crisis. They've been as cooperative as a country can be short of becoming the 51st state.
3 posted on 12/16/2002 6:34:54 AM PST by DonQ
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To: DonQ
Some good points, Don.
But anytime a Canadian writer bashes the US, the magazine or newspaper carrying the article is a sellout.
4 posted on 12/16/2002 6:42:03 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: DonQ
They got many of our embassy people out of Iran during the Hostage Crisis

This was really a CIA operation, not a canadian one (the CIA disguised the American citizens to be "hollywood" types interested in shooting a positive documentary on the Iranian students). Canada was given credit to keep from blowing the cover of our operatives (still in Iran, and who might try the same tactic again since it worked so well the first time).
5 posted on 12/16/2002 6:42:59 AM PST by Technogeeb
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To: Jimmyclyde; coteblanche

Thanks Canada

Get rid of Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, and we'll apologize for inflicting President Bill Clinton on the world - twice.


6 posted on 12/16/2002 6:47:44 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: Jimmyclyde
Canadian comments are like chinese food. An hour later you feel like it never happened.
7 posted on 12/16/2002 7:01:34 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: coteblanche
You're welcome Cote.

After you get rid of Chrétien, we'll talk about getting rid of Quebec. LOL!
9 posted on 12/16/2002 7:14:19 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: DonQ
That was all in the past. Now they are a stupid, socialist country, that couldn't defend itself from Wyoming, much less another nation. They are ruining their own country as fast as they can, and pissed that we aren't doing the same. (We're ruining ours too, but not as fast as they are)
10 posted on 12/16/2002 7:18:19 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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To: coteblanche
Canada and America are like a couple of teenage brothers. There's a lot of ribbing going on, some good natured cuffing, and an occasional all out brawl. But God help anyone from the outside who ever really tries to hurt either one.
11 posted on 12/16/2002 7:26:00 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Jimmyclyde; coteblanche
Lest We Forget

Canadians of the 3 PPCLI killed and injured supporting Operation Enduring Freedom

The soldiers killed by "friendly fire"

Sgt. Marc D. Leger, Age: 29, From Lancaster, Ontario
Cpl. Ainsworth Dyer, Age: 24, Montreal, Quebec
Pte. Richard Green, Age: 21, Mill Cove, Nova Scotia
Pte. Nathan Smith, Age: 27, Porter's Lake, Nova Scotia.

Here is a list of the injured soldiers that returned to Canada Tuesday, Apr. 23rd:

Sgt. Lorne Ford, Age: 33, Brampton, Ontario
Cpl. René Paquette, Age: 33, Winnipeg, Manitoba
Cpl. Brett Perry, Age: 26, Winnipeg, Manitoba
Pte. Norman Link, Age: 24, Grand Prarie, Alberta
Cpl. Brian Decaire, Age: 25, Winnipeg, Manitoba
Master Cpl. Curtis Hollister, Age: 29, Cupar, Saskatchewan

Two other soldiers were treated for minor injuries and remained with their unit in Afghanistan:

Master Cpl. Stanley P. Clark, Age: 35
Cpl. Shane Brennan, Age: 28, Collingwood, Ontario

12 posted on 12/16/2002 7:37:14 AM PST by SAMWolf
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To: coteblanche
My position as adult trainer for my company takes me to Canada quite often. Frankly, I don't really understand America's criticism... I find the Canadians to be quite a warm group of people, very interested in what's going on in the US, and the university students to be very serious about education. Edmonton was a total surprise and is on my list of places for a return visit... just love those Canadian Rockies too! And Victoria... ahhhhh just lovely. Where ever I've gone... the Canadian's have be wonderful, except that they cannot give driving directions.
13 posted on 12/16/2002 7:45:16 AM PST by myrabach
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To: #1CTYankee
It is funny how this country under Bush, in less than two years ended up being hated by our closest allies, like Germany, France, Canada,...

After 9/11 ALL the world was sympathetic with the US; France's headlines "WE ARE ALL MERICANS", Canada, always sided with us, and Germany was always 100% behind us. How did we take the tremendous goodwill from around the world, and turned it into hostility? How did we confuse the Islamic terrorists with Saddam? Why is it that we are trying to force that NEOCON confusion on everybody? Our country needs to refocus on Al-Qaeida, and the terrorists’ cells world wide. In that effort, we will have world wide support, except of course Saudi Arabia, the source of all that hate, which our government tells us that it is our friend! Whoever is advising the White House is doing a lousy job!

14 posted on 12/16/2002 7:55:13 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Germany was always 100% behind us.

WWI & WWII. I beg to differ.
15 posted on 12/16/2002 8:03:11 AM PST by John Lenin
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To: Technogeeb
FWIW, the Canadians were keeping those diplomats in their embassy, and they did provide the passports to get them out.
16 posted on 12/16/2002 8:09:50 AM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Jimmyclyde
"You do nothing and carp about others. You're like a nation populated entirely by university professors and newspaper columnists."

That's hilarious.
17 posted on 12/16/2002 8:12:00 AM PST by July 4th
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To: coteblanche
Hey, any country responsible for the creation of The Red Green Show can't be all bad...
18 posted on 12/16/2002 8:21:24 AM PST by Exeter
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To: Jimmyclyde
original thread that started it all posted by TLBSHOW

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/802989/posts

19 posted on 12/16/2002 8:23:37 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: philosofy123
Our "closest allies" hate us because we have a Republican in office. They are more loyal to socialism than they are to us.
20 posted on 12/16/2002 8:25:45 AM PST by Republic of Texas
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