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Somalis Came To Maine For Security (Barf)
Kennebec Journal Online ^ | December 7, 2002 | Amy Calder

Posted on 12/07/2002 8:17:56 AM PST by Tancred

WATERVILLE — Imagine there is a civil war in this country, it becomes ravaged, and you are sent off to Somalia as a refugee.

You leave behind everything you know — your language, culture, many of your loved ones — and are immersed in a whole new world.

You have 12 children to support. Try to find a job, when you cannot speak the language. Try to get hired, when you are the only white person in a pool of black candidates for one job.

"You go to find work and you can't even fill out the application because you don't read or write or speak English," says Abdiaziz Hashi Ali. "Who's going to get hired? It's very clear."

Ali, a Somali man living in Lewiston and working with Somali refugees there, presented this scenario Friday to the Mid-Maine Global Forum, to help the audience understand the Somali plight.

Ali, 31, a case worker, and Hussein Ahmed, 30, an employment specialist who both work for the City of Lewiston, spoke to a packed room of people who turned out for the event.

They talked about why the Somalis came to the United States, and why so many who initially lived in Atlanta, Ga. and other U.S. cities ultimately ended up in the Lewiston-Auburn area.

They spoke about the pro-Somali sentiment that pervades the twin cities after Lewiston Mayor Laurier Raymond's issued a letter in October asking Somalis to stop coming to the city because it was "maxed-out financially, physically and emotionally."

"The Lewiston-Auburn community are fully supportive of the Somali population — I cannot say all of them, but the majority," said Ali.

In response to the growing Somali population in Lewiston, the World Church of the Creator, a white supremacist group based in Peoria, Ill., is planning to rally in that city Jan. 11.

Ali and Hussein said they are heartened by the fact that many people will rally in support of the Somalis, and show their solidarity.

"I think it's going to be a counter-type of demonstration," Ahmed said. "We only want to show people how the Somali community and the Lewiston-Auburn are joined together, and show the group we are accepting to live together."

Bright, articulate and engaging, Ali and Ahmed shared lunch with those attending the forum, and chatted about their lives. They ate very little, since recently ending a fast in honor Ramadan, the Muslim holy month. They said that during the past month, they ate only from sundown to sunrise.

Both men were born in Kismanyo, in southern, coastal Somalia. Ali graduated from Gaheyr University with a degree in political science. He moved to Georgia in 1994, settled there and worked with the Christian Council, helping new refugees arriving in that state.

Ahmed graduated from the school of health in Muqdishu with a nursing degree and worked with the United Nations Agency Medicin San Frontieres (Medicine Without Borders), providing health care to refugees in Kenya. He came to the United States two years ago.

Ahmed said Somalis are divided into five clans, or tribes. In 1991, civil war broke out in that African country, and 500,000 people were killed. Refugees went to Kenya and Ethiopia. In Kenya, they experienced killings and looting, and because of the lack of security, the United Nations helped find them homes in other places, such as Europe and the United States.

In Atlanta, Somalis had a very tough time, being faced not only with language and culture barriers and difficulty finding jobs, but with exposure to drug dealers and crime, Ali said. Parents worried for the safety of their children.

Ali said white boys on the school bus would pull the scarves off young Somali girls' heads as a joke, but the action is a very serious offense in the Somali culture, where doing so is equivalent to exposing a very private part of a girl's body. Somali boys would try to defend the girls, and fights would break out, Ali said.

So, Somali adults researched on the Internet safe places to live in the United States. They learned that in Lewiston-Auburn, the last time a police officer was killed in the line of duty was in 1859, Ali said.

They moved to Lewiston-Auburn, which has about 1,200 Somalis —333 of whom are adults, and the rest children, according to Ali.

About 215 Somalis work in a variety of jobs including in a fiber optics plant. One is a nurse, another, a math teacher in a high school, and two are doctors, according to Ali. One of the doctors got a job at a hospital in Boston, he said.

Waterville resident Philip Gonyar, a retired teacher and member of the Waterville Board of Education, asked how Somali students are treated in school in Lewiston and Auburn.

Ahmed said the schools are very good, and teachers are supportive. Class size is more conducive to learning than in larger classes in other cities.

"Security within the school setup is a very good one," he said.

The men, who were introduced by Global Forum Board member William A. Lee, said they enjoyed Friday's event and appreciated the opportunity to speak.

"You've been a wonderful audience," Ali said.

To learn more about the Somali culture, go to

www.hiiraan.com or somalinet.com, according to Ali and Ahmed.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Maine
KEYWORDS: immigration; maine; refugees; somails
I'm back after a long absence--new job, new car, new apartment--but you can still expect my usual cranky anti-immigrant postings until we have a moratorium on immigration, throw out all the illegal aliens, and make all the new-comers assimilate. That's not too much to ask, is it?
1 posted on 12/07/2002 8:17:56 AM PST by Tancred
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To: Tancred
Geez, if I had 12 kids I'd hope I'd spaced them out far enough that the oldest can support me.
2 posted on 12/07/2002 8:19:53 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Tancred
Welcome back, Tancred & we expect many more of these type post until we have our borders secured & a form of immigration that is logical.
3 posted on 12/07/2002 8:30:38 AM PST by Digger
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To: Tancred
Has the Lewiston-Auburn white flight started yet?
4 posted on 12/07/2002 8:34:55 AM PST by Consort
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To: Jimer
From what I've heard about Lewiston, the "white flight" started long before any Somalis ever came there: the place has been declining for decades!!! (I haven't seen enough of Lewiston-Auburn to give you better details; in fact, there are lots of places in Maine that I've never driven to but have only reached by boat.) Lots of French-Canadians came to the L-A area in the 19th and early 20th century to work in the mills (now long since closed).

From the sections I put in bold, you can see that only 25% of the Somalis are adults, and of those adults only two-thirds have employment (some are presumably too old or have to look after the kids). Keep this in mind because the local papers here have printed earlier stories trying to debunk the popular conception that they don't work and they don't use up too much public services (but how can they not with all those children?). There are poorer places in Maine than L-A, like Aroostook and Washington counties, but Lewiston also has a reputation for crime and grunginess (relative to Maine, that is).

5 posted on 12/07/2002 8:58:38 AM PST by Tancred
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To: Larry Lucido
Ayuh - and what, pray-tell, is the Christian Council doing helping these folks? Have all Christians gotten all the help they need??
6 posted on 12/07/2002 10:13:42 AM PST by Mainah
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To: Tancred
Have you seen the somalinet forums? It is a bunch of illiterate ramblings about "hot niggahs" (their words). And these are the kind of losers we are being forced to support. Aaargh! But what can we Mainers do?

Has anyone thought of FReeping the WCOC rally AND the pro Somali demonstrators? Could be interesting.......
7 posted on 12/07/2002 5:28:45 PM PST by Morrigan
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To: Morrigan
When it warms up, there are a few of us around to FReep.

What a puff piece. They forgot that these people got 5 years of welfare to acclimate themselves and then they moved to Maine which has better and unlimited welfare.

Whatever happened to the concept of sponsorship?

By the way, the last accurate reported employment rate was 20%, another 20% had summer tourist economy jobs and now are "unemployed".
9 posted on 01/25/2003 6:10:49 PM PST by ozone1
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To: Tancred
Seems like they should first learn what caused that horde of kids.
10 posted on 01/25/2003 6:13:34 PM PST by cynicom
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To: Tancred
but you can still expect my usual cranky anti-immigrant postings until we have a moratorium on immigration, throw out all the illegal aliens, and make all the new-comers assimilate.

I look forward to reading them! Unfortunately, I fear you've placed yourself under an obligation that will last a long, long, time.

11 posted on 01/25/2003 6:18:44 PM PST by neutrino (Audaces fortuna juvat)
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To: ozone1
Puff piece, indeed. Especially to those of us that live here, and see what goes on daily.

What I am really curious about is, where are these people working? I live and work in L/A, and have for years. I am all over these two towns every day, and I have not seen a SINGLE Somali working anywhere. A friend told me that a few work at Tambrands. This woman's father helps place people for employment, and he has tried placing Somalis. There isn't much, because they don't understand English (how they don't understand it when they have been in the US for years is beyond me) and they do not stay employed long. They don't want to work the hours, and they just don't show up after a few weeks. He winds up placing the same people over and over.

Even if they do work, it doesn't really matter. I would say that it is safe to assume every Somali in Lewiston receives some type of state or city funded aid, with the possible exception of single males that live by themselves. What is a hundred bucks a month in taxes when one consumes twice that in food stamps? The fact that some work doesn't even have an impact. They suck up tremendous amounts of services that outweigh their "contributions".
12 posted on 01/26/2003 11:58:55 AM PST by Morrigan
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To: Morrigan
Ya gotta think outside the box, if ya wanta solve this problem here.

What did the Somali Tribespesrsons do back in the old country? Well they rustled cattle, goats, camels, and sheep from one another; Conducted the odd raid into Kenya; Kidnapped folks; and generally behaved like a semi-naked version of the Wild Bunch. Their women were known to do a bit of farming and trading and scout out opportunities for the boys to go back to plan "a" above, when they weren't too busy to handle the odd clitorectomy.

So to get our new fellow citizens back to work, we have to recreate in Maine the opportunities they are accustomed to working with in Somalia. I see no reason why the Somalis in LA can't raid Bar Harbor, Boothbay, and Ogunquit from time to time. Many of the summer folk who are the normal habitués of these swank resorts seem to be just the sort of New York and Boston Democrats who are culturally sensitive enough to appreciate a good multicultural kidnapping. Their offspring might also enjoy getting tribal tattoos and geometric scars.

The Dairymen are always complaining about hard it is to make a buck, so the Somalis would actually be doing them a favor by rearranging the Holsteins for them. I also recommend expanding the funky old "Desert of Maine" to 1000 sq. miles., so the Somalis don't get too homesick.

Of course, in order to do their part to make our state more attractive to tourists, I would suggest they where they native garb, summer AND winter. .

13 posted on 01/26/2003 12:16:52 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Morrigan
They were transporting the women down to freeport and other places for housekeeping at the motels. It's great summer work, but they are all unemployed now. They're stuck in Lewiston because Maine is the only state willing to continue their welfare (Maine exceeds Federal requirements). Even Mass won't put up with it.
14 posted on 01/26/2003 12:54:06 PM PST by ozone1
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