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Grieving mums confront Blair on gun crime (Barf Alert)
Reuters/MSN.co.uk ^ | 30/11/02 | Pete Harrison

Posted on 11/30/2002 5:36:43 PM PST by David Hunter

Mothers grieving over children killed in drug-fuelled gang wars have marched on Downing Street to vent their fury and demand tough new laws. As if to underline the point, just hours before the march set off from south London's troubled borough of Peckham, a man was shot dead in a local pub and another was in a critical condition having been shot in the neck, police said. The two victims, both black, were the latest in a string of "black-on-black" shootings, which have forced London's police to launch a dedicated unit, Operation Trident.

Lucy Cope, whose son Damian, 22, was shot dead outside a nightclub in London's West End in July, told Reuters: "The police are doing all they can -- they've set up Operation Trident and everything -- but the law is no deterrent." She said the 10-year maximum sentence for gun possession should be changed to a 10-year minimum sentence.

Peckham is one of several areas of the capital where rival gangs are battling for control of the lucrative trades in cocaine and its highly addictive derivative crack. Peckham's run-down estates hit the headlines two years ago with the murder of 10-year-old Nigerian schoolboy Damilola Taylor, who bled to death in a stairwell from a stab wound soon after he moved to London.

Superintendent Ed Bateman of the local Southwark Police said he supported the march and pledged to "close down crack houses, which are often the seat and focus of illegally held and used firearms".

Protest organiser Althea Smith said gun crime in the capital was not just black-on-black. "In London, a lot (of shootings) are Yardie or drug-related, but we've also recently seen the Turkish gangs fighting in Haringey," she said. "When someone is killed, it's not just one person that is affected, but the whole community," she added.

The march was expected to number over a thousand, and six mothers of children shot dead on London streets were to carry a petition calling for tougher sentencing to Downing Street.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; crime; drugs; gunlaws
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To: David Hunter
"Psychopathic drug-dealers/gangsters are in the business of terrorising and killing people and so are unlikely to be concerned by longer custodial sentences for possession of the tools of their trade. Meanwhile, the law-abiding British public can't even legally carry a penknife to protect themselves with and are being prosecuted for using 'unreasonable force' while they're in fear of their lives."

And the majority of Brits are oblivious to this disturbing equation?

What you need matey is a politician who advocates gun racks on the back of your vehicles which "advertise" a willingness to defend yourself. Though I don't live there, I hear it seems to work well in Texas...

21 posted on 11/30/2002 10:42:15 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
And the majority of Brits are oblivious to this disturbing equation?

Unfortunately, I believe they are. I've never come across any British politician, and very few citizens, who advocate introducing CCW here. The egregiously biased BBC never discuss the benefits of CCW in the USA and instead they only put forward the gun-grabbers' emotional "save the children" arguments. The term "Ministry of Propaganda" could be accurately applied to the BBC.

22 posted on 11/30/2002 11:29:28 PM PST by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter; All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711949/posts
Newsmax | July 7, 2002 | Dr. Michael S. Brown
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23 posted on 12/01/2002 1:57:58 AM PST by backhoe
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To: David Hunter
We just got back from a 2 week UK vacation. What a sorry situation.

Our first day in London, while eating dinner, we caught an 'immigrant' with his hand in my wife's purse. I threatened to cut him, if he didn't depart hastily and he was dumbfounded. I gathered they are not use to victims fighting back.

Everywhere in London there are posters warning the 'sheep' to watch their bags and belonging, but none warning the miscreants of the consequences of their actions.

There are posters everywhere warning the population against using verbal abuse on minorities, immigrants and other protected groups. This is now considered a serious crime.

And by recent decree of Parliment, homosexuals are now known officially as 'those attracted to those of the same sex'.

Things were better outside of London, but the thoughtcrime posters are everywhere. Overall we had a good time, but I doubt we would ever go back.
24 posted on 12/01/2002 2:30:47 AM PST by TC Rider
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To: David Hunter
Mothers grieving over children killed in drug-fuelled gang wars have marched on Downing Street...Lucy Cope, whose son Damian, 22, was shot dead outside a nightclub in London's West End...

22-year-old "children"?!

25 posted on 12/01/2002 8:23:22 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: David Hunter
How can a virtual ban on private gun ownership get any more restrictive?

As the old saying goes, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Here are "grieving Mums" complaining that thier offspring where viciously mowed down by "drug dealers" and "gangs." Look who the innocent offspring are hanging out with...I guess this minor point is worth overlooking when it comes to heartless, self-shooting, maniacle "GUNS."

26 posted on 12/01/2002 8:39:52 AM PST by Ground0
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To: David Hunter
My friend, thanks for pinging me. Also, if things get bad in Britain, you are always welcome to emigrate to the US. We'd love to have you across the pond.
27 posted on 12/01/2002 9:25:33 AM PST by Sparta
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To: relee
Cato Institute legal scholars are crafting a legal strategy for challenging District of Columbia laws on Second Amendment grounds. The city's gun ban is among the most restrictive in the nation.

Yep...CATO is very cautious about their image (since libertarianism seems to attact loonies) and I've haven't heard much out of them on 2nd Amendment issues until now.

I'm pleased and will be doubling my level of support.

All they ask is $100 the first year, 500 the second and $1000 every year after that.

28 posted on 12/01/2002 12:12:34 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: David Hunter
Is it just me or does every third article on the BBC start with "Is the Government doing enough ??".
29 posted on 12/01/2002 12:13:52 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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To: Sparta
Thanks for the kind invitation. If I don't manage to get a new postdoctoral research position in Britain in the next two months, then I will start writing to American research scientists in my area to see if they have any work available. The employment situation is very difficult for academic research scientists in Britain at the moment.
30 posted on 12/01/2002 12:32:58 PM PST by David Hunter
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To: Shooter 2.5
They have a revolving door system now. When they get serious about the penalties, the crooks won't be so easy about leaving witnesses. The murder rate is going to rival a third world country.

I never really thought about it in those terms. I think that such a correlation is worth a good study. I think you have hit on something very interesting.

31 posted on 12/01/2002 12:46:38 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: TC Rider
Our first day in London, while eating dinner, we caught an 'immigrant' with his hand in my wife's purse. I threatened to cut him, if he didn't depart hastily and he was dumbfounded. I gathered they are not use to victims fighting back.

The Metropolitan Police would consider a victim who was fighting back to be an assailant, hence muggers tend to mug with impunity. I recently read about an American woman who was mugged by two men in London and fought back with her penknife. Apparently, she was prosecuted for assault and actual bodily harm.

Everywhere in London there are posters warning the 'sheep' to watch their bags and belonging, but none warning the miscreants of the consequences of their actions.

What consequences do most muggers and thieves have to worry about anyway? I recently heard about a sneak thief at Heathrow airport who had been convicted of 40 robberies and was suspected of doing at least another 40, but had only received 200 hours of community service!

Things were better outside of London, but the thoughtcrime posters are everywhere.

My favourite posters are those from the railway companies which say something like: "safe below the watchful eyes" or some such nonsense, (referring to the many new video cameras in railway stations). They remind me of the telescreen mentality in Orwell's 1984, its all for the citizens' safety you know. The fact that is has been proved that video cameras don't deter crime, but just displace it, is merely an inconvenient fact to the totalitarian cretins in the British government.

32 posted on 12/01/2002 12:53:15 PM PST by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
They want to get rid of crime in England the first thing they have to do is get rid of their illegal alien problem, then scrap all the gun laws and issue handguns to all civilians (with proper training of course ;o))

Isn't multi-cultural living fun?

33 posted on 12/01/2002 12:53:40 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: AdamSelene235
Is it just me or does every third article on the BBC start with "Is the Government doing enough ??".

No, its not just your imagination, the cretins at the Beeb really think the government can solve all society's problems. They suffer from advanced necrosis of the brain you know.

34 posted on 12/01/2002 12:59:26 PM PST by David Hunter
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To: David Hunter
I said it before, here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/798383/posts?page=4#4
35 posted on 12/01/2002 1:08:08 PM PST by demosthenes the elder
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To: David Hunter
thanks for the ping, DH!
36 posted on 12/01/2002 1:08:36 PM PST by demosthenes the elder
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To: Teacher317
you nailed it, dead-nut.
37 posted on 12/01/2002 1:10:17 PM PST by demosthenes the elder
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To: backhoe
nice collection of links to salient writings. thanks!
38 posted on 12/01/2002 1:13:57 PM PST by demosthenes the elder
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To: David Hunter
As for the BNP, I hate their guts, they are totalitarian national socialists.

which makes them nationalistic collectivists, which makes them militant Leftists.

One of the biggest scams the Left has been able to pull off was the redefinition of fascism as "a far-right-wing dictatorial form of government" despite the obvious facts to the contrary.

39 posted on 12/01/2002 1:18:30 PM PST by demosthenes the elder
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To: David Hunter
"The egregiously biased BBC never discuss the benefits of CCW in the USA and instead they only put forward the gun-grabbers' emotional "save the children" arguments. The term "Ministry of Propaganda" could be accurately applied to the BBC."

The Goebbels-inspired BBC is however, in support of a few anarchists terrorizing ALL of an unarmed UK including "the children??" The easy solution: A sudden CCW policy which may result in a few "incidents" at it's inception, but then soon after everyone would be on their best behavior ;-)

I know this is rhetorical as well, but at what point of violence do the British "sheeple" realize common sense should supercede hair-brained liberal idealism?

You certainly have your work cut out for you Mate...

40 posted on 12/01/2002 1:36:08 PM PST by F16Fighter
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