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Freep This Poll on Immigration
CNN Moneyline ^ | 11/26/02

Posted on 11/26/2002 3:32:45 PM PST by Tancredo Fan

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:01:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Should the United States cut back on the number of immigrants allowed into the country?


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KEYWORDS: govtmalfeasance; homelandsecurity; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; invasion
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1 posted on 11/26/2002 3:32:45 PM PST by Tancredo Fan
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To: holyscroller; Spiff; HiJinx; flamefront; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; Right_Makes_Might; ...
Ping!
2 posted on 11/26/2002 3:33:37 PM PST by Tancredo Fan
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To: Tancredo Fan
Freep'ed and bump.
3 posted on 11/26/2002 3:34:29 PM PST by NEWwoman
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To: Tancredo Fan
I voted. Only an idiot would vote "no". The "yes" votes are looking good. For victory & freedom!!!
4 posted on 11/26/2002 3:37:40 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Tancredo Fan
FReeped!


Created: Tue Nov 26 16:52:35 EST 2002
 
Should the United States cut back on the number of immigrants allowed into the country?
Yes Yes votes   79% 483 votes
No No votes   21% 132 votes
Total:  615 votes





5 posted on 11/26/2002 3:40:36 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Tancredo Fan
bump
6 posted on 11/26/2002 3:43:25 PM PST by healey22
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ping
7 posted on 11/26/2002 3:45:26 PM PST by madfly
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To: Tancredo Fan
Voted and bumped!

Created: Tue Nov 26 16:52:35 EST 2002  
Should the United States cut back on the number of immigrants allowed into the country?
Yes Yes votes   77% 779 votes
No No votes   23% 228 votes
Total:  1007 votes

8 posted on 11/26/2002 3:50:17 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Got 'em. Now 78%-22%

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9 posted on 11/26/2002 3:51:38 PM PST by archy
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To: archy
Thanks archy. I'm playing the Mighty Mouse theme here for ya! hehehe :)
10 posted on 11/26/2002 3:58:13 PM PST by madfly
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To: madfly
Got there! Did it and departed liberal land (asap).
11 posted on 11/26/2002 3:58:26 PM PST by Madcelt
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To: B4Ranch
Ping!
12 posted on 11/26/2002 4:01:09 PM PST by Madcelt
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To: madfly
Thanks archy.. I'm playing the Mighty Mouse theme here for ya! hehehe :)

Just so long as you're not wearing your Andy Kaufman outfit and lip-synching to the music.


13 posted on 11/26/2002 4:09:53 PM PST by archy
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To: Tancredo Fan
Created: Tue Nov 26 16:52:35 EST 2002  
Should the United States cut back on the number of immigrants allowed into the country?
Yes Yes votes   78% 1103 votes
No No votes   22% 313 votes
Total:  1416 votes

14 posted on 11/26/2002 4:15:43 PM PST by petuniasevan
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To: Tancredo Fan
Freeped ( 7x) & bumped
15 posted on 11/26/2002 4:21:50 PM PST by watcher1
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Lou Dobbs wow. I didn't know he was into doing something about this issue. Good man!!

Voted NO YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

16 posted on 11/26/2002 4:27:59 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Tancredo Fan
BTTT
17 posted on 11/26/2002 4:34:14 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Tancredo Fan
Voted, but do the politicians care?
18 posted on 11/26/2002 4:35:00 PM PST by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: Madcelt
I've been doing a lot of thinking about the illegal aliens and the politicians whining about not having enough money, continually wanting to raise our taxes as a solution to the budget problems.

This just might be a solution. See if you like it.

Educate a couple of hundred young energetic people to an idea like this one. Youngsters who feel American Patriotism is a finer character asset than national Diversity is. Yes, us patriots do obey the laws.

Then these young people would need to go face to face with the residents of your lightly populated rural county and explaining how it would work and benefit them, their kids, and their grandkids. Have a website that would explain just why this is being done. Explain the costs to each individual community because of the illegal alien residency and immigration.

It is obvious that INS and the State Dept are corrupt. Attempting to correct the corruption is the wrong way to fix the problem. Rounding up the illegals and removing them will fix the problem!!!

Get your local population educated to the idea of electing a Sheriff who will go face to face with the Federal government. He is going to need legal advice on how to do all of this. Ideally you would want local attorneys or judges to provide this advice. Hey, before you run off...the local attorneys and judges have kids and grandkids too.

Sheriffs are the top LEO in each County. They have the authority to demand that the Feds call ahead and ask to come into your County to enforce Federal laws. Check your State Constitution if you don't believe me.

Now getting the Sheriff and County officials to go along with it, is of course another subject. Just maybe you might be able to find someone who thinks as I do, that illegal aliens are parasites in America, and they would also spread the idea amongst the citizens of your County. Then the citizens could write a petition to force the Council and Sheriff to follow their instructions.

If you have a Sheriff and local County officials of a lightly populated County with a budget deficit and the abnormal high taxes who will declare that all illegal aliens from every nation will be arrested and removed from the County in 30, 60 or 90 days the program is on it's way.

All assets not removed from the County must be assigned by the illegal alien to be sold with registered agents or they will be seized by the Sheriff and sold. These funds will be divided between the Sheriffs Office and the County budget offices for expenses.

All people employing illegal aliens will also be arrested and fined. Perhaps $5000 per employee. This would prompt employers to demand that their employees bring in birth certificates, etc. I think there is a federal law forbidding this, I'm not sure. But so what? If they won't protect America then we must do it. This also keeps the government out of our personal records any more than necessary.

The hiring of non citizens that have entered the US legally with the legal assistance of Immigration and Naturalization Services will of course be encouraged. Only the hiring of illegal aliens will be reason for arrest and stiff fines. It is already against the law to hire an illegal alien. These people have already broken too many of our laws for us to continue to turn our heads.

Perhaps ads could be placed in the newspapers of the surrounding counties to obtain legal workers for the farm, ranch, gas station and local K-Mart to replace the ones who are leaving. A local 800 number could be updated daily with jobs available in your County.

All people giving aid or care to illegal aliens would also be arrested and fined. This would include all illegal aliens who are family members of legal aliens. I would imagine this would gather up quite a few people who have overstayed their visitors pass.

This will result in no or very few illegal aliens going to the local hospitals for medical attention. The hospital will start making money again instead of heading into bankruptcy. Just imagine what the result would be if prices dropped!

This will also bring welfare for illegal aliens to a screeching halt. This alone will do much for your local budget, maintaining or even drop taxes.

School districts would require much less money because the new residents in the county would certainly be more able to speak English. I think schools already check for birth certificates and medical history. (This maybe a good place for the sheriff to start.)

Imagine what that would do to surrounding Counties with similar budget deficits. Would the residents agree to more taxes or would they say get the lawbreakers out of here?

Do you think it might convince the State officials when enough Counties have adopted these measures that we citizens are serious in our desire to protect our communities from being over run by illegal aliens? Would this prompt them to follow our guidance and issue state laws that demand law enforcement agencies to enforce ALL the laws or their budgets get cut?

I think half a dozen community residents that are involved in the legal system and the business community could work out what to do to make an idea similar to this work in your community.

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For the legal minded folks I have included a statement from one of the cases that made it through the Supreme Court. Unless there are State laws forbidding such actions as I have suggested, I think everything legally is above the table. A local judge could give the Sheriff advice on how to handle the little tweak of the laws.

The federal Gov't may neither issue directives requiring the States to address particular problems, nor command State' officers, or those of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program. It matters not whether policy making is involved, and no case by case weighing of the burdens or benefits is necessary; such commands are fundamentally incompatible with our constitutional system of dual sovereignty.

Justice Antonin Scalia, Mack vs US., June 27, 1997

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The way I see it is that given the opportunity and enough notice to move their families safely, the illegal aliens would pack up and leave rather than fight a Sheriff who is broadcasting that just because the Feds aren't going to enforce the immigration laws doesn't mean he isn't.

Employers would rather make a company policy that all employees must prove that they are American citizens or in the United States legally than be fined $5000 per employee for supporting open border policy.

Give employers a chance to advertise for critical employees who are currently illegal aliens so their businesses don't suffer a drastic skill shortage.

Just as an add on, I imagine that the local crime rates would be continually dropping until it again reached an acceptable level.

Surrounding rural counties would surely catch on quickly to the benefits and start similar programs. All it would take is one newspaper article about their city council needing money for some more public services. There is much more rural county land in the US than cities in county land, that's why I am promoting a rural county to start with.

The residents are more apt to be on a handshake basis with their elected official than residents of large cities are. I think that it wouldn't take too long before cities would simply not be able to afford to support all the illegals who are on taxpayer paid benefits. Consequently, like it or not they would have to fall in line.

I have no idea how fast an idea such as this would spread and actually take firm hold causing neighboring state legislators to look at the idea BEFORE their state was swamped with illegal aliens and the taxpayers rose up demanding immediate solutions. The crime rate amongst illegals is very high as it is. A plan such a this could send it through the ceiling, so caution would be advised on initiating it in a city. Vandalism and riots would probably occur in some areas, so the Governor would need to be ready with the State National Guard Units.

This could be dangerous because it could foster hate and anger. Too much anger would result in radicals bringing out their guns chasing the illegals out of their neighborhoods. We have seen gang wars and the resulting violence, this could be worse. So, it will have to be a slow, calm, well organized plan in each county!

Our intention is to bring the population of our neighborhoods into patriotic, law abiding folks not to be ravaged by foreigners who have nowhere to go. Eventually, I can see where states would have to cough up the funds and or transportation for the people to get back to Norway, Brazil, Australia, Japan and China.

The first States to do this emigration plan will encounter the least expenses. Of course I would expect it to happen, if it ever does, in Western States.

If we continue to allow to let the Feds handle it, they will continue to dilly dally around like they been doing and the problem will never be solved. So, the way I see this, the STATES are going to have to stand up after too many years on our knees to the self promoting, egotistical big shots in the Federal Legislature and the Federal Agencies. We need to show them that we'll fix the problem ourselves. Imagine if our citizens brought a halt to Agenda 21, that would set the United Nations on its rear end!!

Notice the direction of travel in this definition.

emigration

\Em`i*gra"tion\, n. [L. emigratio: cf. F. ['e]migration.] 1. The act of emigrating; removal from one country or state to another, for the purpose of residence, as from Europe to America, or, in America, from the Atlantic States to the Western.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=emigration&db=*

Lets change the worlds idea of where to emigrate from and to! We have given education and work experience to millions of illegal aliens. Now lets give them a chance to see if they can do it for themselves back home!!!

If you think this might work, phone some local friends to see what they think of it.

Why not email other friends with this idea and see if we can't get it started. Of course there will surely need to be modifications to initialize it and perhaps different ideas to promote it. Each County is slightly different and we don't want extreme radicals promoting it or else it will surely sink into oblivion.

Here's another piece to look at. http://www.fairus.org/html/04176912.htm

19 posted on 11/26/2002 4:38:35 PM PST by B4Ranch
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Pinged and Bump - But we should also stop all Immigration for 10 years, close down the Boarder with the Military while we build 18' high walls with a mile buffer zone of land mines with look out stations around the country and do a State by State, City by City, House by House for the 50 Million Illegals we have here and Deporting them back to there own Countries will we ever fix our problems.

20 posted on 11/26/2002 5:16:48 PM PST by Slipjack
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