Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

AP | 11/22/02

[Vieja]

Well, I just watched the program….if only because I live about 50 miles from the supposed landing/crash site…

The speculation looked hokey to me. It's bad enough that Bryant Gumble is narrator. (Is that the best job he can get these days?) But the clincher was the producers bringing in the interested "Governor Richardson"[sic]. Not only does his appearance add nothing to the speculation, someone needs to tell these yahoos that Bill Richardson, elected November 5, is still only the “governor-elect” and he will not be governor until inaugurated in January, 2003.

[Quix]

I don't really question your sanity, really. I just note the death grip your biases seem to have on your assessment and filtering skills when it comes to sorting out signal from the noise.

But it would be somewhat plausible to question the sanity of someone who seemed to swallow the government's line--hook line and sinker.

To respond to your "nonquestion" hiding as a statement--I don't know if the ET's came from within our galaxy or a different one or "merely" another set of dimensions. But they were not a result of human genetic research in 1940.

But go ahead and enjoy your rigid, narrow, world view. It's days are numbered. You may as well enjoy it while you can. The jolt will be serious enough when it comes.

[Joe 6-pack]

"You people are insane."

LOL...

As someone who shaves with Occam's razor on a daily basis, I must concede that I firmly believe "something," happened at Roswell in '47. The automatic assumption that it had something to do with ETs is pretty tenuous.

IMHO, it probably involved the crash of a nuke-laden B-29 from the 509th which was never completely recovered.

I'd like to think, that in the wake of such, some clever, patriotic, young intel officer had the foresight to keep the soviets on edge throughout the coldwar, wondering the whole time, if in fact we were reverse-engineering alien technology, and just feeding enough credibility to the theory that the reds never fully shook the hook. If in fact, this was the case, I apologize to the democratic party for my failure to recognize their contributions through the training and education of an appropriate number of useful idiots to perpetuate the scam.

As an intellectual exercise, and to drive home a point to investigative recruits for my company, I recently rewrote an investigative report, and through the use of passive voice, implication and selective editing, generated a report that, IMHO, was legally sufficient, 100% accurate, and yet, read 180 degrees opposite of what actually happened!

I'd love to think the soviet empire went bankrupt trying to infiltrate Area-51 and obtaining alien tach, while Reagan was convincing east and west germans to start swinging sledge hammers from both sides of the wall.

[Joe 6-pack]

"But go ahead and enjoy your rigid, narrow, world view."

Yep, far better to keep an open mind...

Joe 6-Pack say, "Man with open mind risk brain falling out of head."

[Quix]

So, the Ramey memo has now been shown to talk about "victims" and "disc" etc.

Sounds like a bit of confirmation to me.

[Quix]

Maybe this will be clickable now.

http://www.sfnewmexican.com/site/ news.cfm?newsid=6151836&BRD=2144&PAG=461&dept_id=367954&rfi=6

BLESSINGS,

[RGSpincich]

Surely a "weather" balloon wouldn't necessitate that kind of secrecy.

No, but a failed flight of a top secret flying object would. It was ours. It's the only scenario that flies...pun intended.

[ActionNewsBill]

Airing: SCI FI Channel December 2, 2002 at 9pm e/p (10 consecutive nights)

[RGSpincich]

flies = flys

[Joe 6-pack]

"So, the Ramey memo has now been shown to talk about "victims" and "disc" etc.

Sounds like a bit of confirmation to me."

Research Rudiak's bio, then try to convince me of the authenticity of his analysis. I know for a fact that there are FReepers here who could make legit photoshp images of the Ramey memo stating, "gore wins florida!!!"

[Quix]

So, you are addicted to a binary reality?

In YOUR world view, people are either rigidly and narrowly closed minded somewhat like a stainless steel sphere with no joints . . . OR They are so open minded their brains fall out. And you accuse others of being less than integrated and actualized? Interesting. Evidently your mirror is also shattered. Message in Ramey's hands in baloon hoax newspaper photo: WE HAVE AVIATORS IN THE DISC, WE ARE GOING TO SHIP THEM BY . . . IN THE DISC . . . VICTIMS OF THE WRECK . . . But don't rattle your sanity by believing the evidence. Sleep well in your willful blindness.

[Nick Danger]

I am Albert of Gore.
Take me to your leader.

[LurkerNoMore!]

*lol*

[foreverfree]

Roswell Incident Has Boredom, foreverfree Finds.

[Quix]

Our flying antigrav craft were not near so far along at that time. But the crashed one was helpful toward our building such.

Though my relative insists some ET's out-right gave us and taught us how to build some craft.

It appears that ya'll skeptics have never had relatives you could believe about serious matters.

[Quix]

IF that Ramey message analysis was THE ONLY evidence, you might have PART of a point.

Given that it's supportive of tons of other evidence, I think your rationalization is a real groping for straws.

[Vieja]

lol....I am Albert of Gore. Take me to your leader. please, a pic of: I am Thomas of Daschle Take me to your ladder.

[harrowup]

...why is 75% of the document merely justifying the classification BLACKED OUT. 75% BLACKED OUT. WHY?

Good question. While I have no personal knowledge of the particulars in the redactions of this case file I can suggest that the bulk of the redactions are comprised of personnel data and speculative cya...game playing what-ifs...

There would be no smoking gun in the redactions...just privacy issues and embarassing speculation and PR snafus. That said, there certainly was a crash in Roswell that date and various agencies of the government have consistently lied about it. When the government goes to that much trouble to pull the shades on something it means only one thing...whatever happened started out routine and the further up the chain it went some wiseass...decided to make a mess of the facts...and J. Edgar always hated to look stupid...

While I don't believe it was an "alien" craft, I refuse to be so arrogant as to assume we are alone in the universe...let alone smart enough to escape our own gravity without a lot of noise and smoke.

[Joe 6-pack]

"Message in Ramey's hands in baloon hoax newspaper photo: WE HAVE AVIATORS IN THE DISC, WE ARE GOING TO SHIP THEM BY . . . IN THE DISC . . . VICTIMS OF THE WRECK . . ."

I'm not closing my mind per se,. I'm just looking for the most reaonable explanation. I could sit here all night and dream up all kinds of possibilities for the Ramey Memo, the subsequent Blue Book Findings, etc. How about this one...

Ramey was in cahoots w/ Stalin, and typed up the memo, in the hopes that it would be photographed in adequate detail to undermine the credibility of the U.S. gov't party line, thereby undermining the credibility of the nascent USAF?

Give me proof to the contrary...seems like a plausible theory to me...