Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

AP | 11/22/02

[Davea]

Roswell Incident Had Victims, Program Says

By RICHARD BENKE | The Associated Press 11/22/2002

ALBUQUERQUE - While he told the world that a weather balloon went down in Roswell, an Army general had in his hand a memo telling Pentagon brass of a UFO crash with "victims," according to a new television documentary.

A computer analysis of that memo, held by Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey during a July 1947 press briefing, is the "smoking gun" of the Roswell Incident, researchers say in the documentary being broadcast today on the Sci-Fi Channel.

Using a digital photo scanner to enlarge and enhance words printed on the folded piece of paper Ramey held, and using another computer program to select the most likely words, researcher David Rudiak, who has a Ph.D. in physics from UC Berkeley, found two key phrases: "the victims of the wreck" and "in the 'disc' they will ship."

With the textual study plus University of New Mexico archaeological findings from one of three alleged UFO crash sites, science fiction seeks to close the gap with fact, producers say.

A photograph taken July 8, 1947, in Fort Worth, Texas, by James Bond Johnson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram shows Ramey clutching a communique to Washington, D.C., while he displays a deflated weather balloon just hours after other Army officers in Roswell had reported a UFO crash.

It was one of a series of inconsistent military reports about the incident, which has become part of American mythology.

"Unless national security is at stake, there is absolutely no reason to keep this information from the public," said Thomas Vitale, a Sci-Fi Channel vice president. "Whatever crashed at Roswell, let us know what the truth is."

The Air Force had responded to a 1994 call from the late U.S. Rep. Steve Schiff, R-N.M., by saying it had no information on the Roswell Incident. Schiff, an Air Force reserve judge advocate general's officer, then took his query to the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

In 1997, the Air Force acknowledged the weather balloon had been a false cover story, but a new story also was called into question. In a report written by Lt. William McAndrew, the Air Force suggested reports of alien bodies in the wreckage must have originated because of a crash-test program in which mannequins were dropped from balloons. The mannequins did not come close to matching 1947 descriptions of alien bodies, and the crash-test program was not introduced until 1953, Rudiak said.

Sci-Fi, guided by longtime Roswell UFO researchers Tom Carey and Don Schmitt, commissioned William Doleman, an archaeologist with UNM's Maxwell Museum of Anthropology, to excavate the alleged initial crash contact point on the ranch where the late Mack Brazel worked as foreman.

Doleman said he knows little about the Roswell Incident but agreed to excavate the site using purely scientific methods because it is "culturally significant" and because so much of what is circulated about the Roswell crash landing is based on hearsay. What was needed, Doleman said, was physical evidence.

"So this project is a very bold step by people who claim to know what happened and where it happened," Doleman said. "What makes it bold is they were willing to go out there and look for physical evidence."

Details of the excavation are being kept confidential until after today's premiere. But Doleman said he agrees "that obviously something happened in July 1947 in southeastern New Mexico." After his work there, though, he said, "I'm still uncertain" about UFOs and alien beings.

The documentary will introduce some witnesses who have not been heard from publicly before, attesting to the existence of alien bodies in the wreckage of the "flying disc," Carey said by phone from his home in Pennsylvania.

"This is where we loaded the bodies," he quotes one New Mexico witness, Robert Slusher, as saying. Slusher, among those appearing in the documentary, was part of a B-29 crew that he said loaded bodies up through the plane's bomb bay at the Roswell Army Airfield.

Three victims were supposedly recovered from the final crash site, and a team of archaeologists, coincidentally, were in the area doing research on ancient Indians at the time, Carey said. Among them was Curry Holden, an archaeologist from Texas Tech in Lubbock, whom Carey located in 1992.

"Curry Holden said he saw everything - the craft and the bodies," Carey said. Holden died a few months later.

Carey, an investigator for a private corporation, said he started looking into Roswell 12 years ago "as a hobby."

But it became more than that. And now, he said, he and Schmitt are in a race against time, as witnesses become scarcer.

©Santa Fe New Mexican 2002

[Quix]

METHINKS EVERYONE is getting ready for Thanksgiving!

That's good!

Supermarket was busy tonight.

[MHGinTN]

Do you see how Angels are 'extra-terrestrials'? The dimensional barrier we face doesn't allow us to 'see' them, yet they appear to be very aware of us. In this age of science and scientific explanations, it would seem that we are more poised to handle the possible near future connections with extra-terrestrial life, as in accepting their existence (aliens, I mean, as opposed to or in conjunction with Angels). Perhaps the ships of our past are not so distant from their ships in our present. [It's a play on words as offered by one of the characters in my novel, Tree Of Life (the characters do their own speaking without my conscious input when the story is flowing); I just tossed it in for the fun of it, because the 'creative' impulse may not be all that alien to some 'extra-natural' or 'hyper-natural communication.]

[Quix]

i THINK YOU ARE DOING WONDERFUL THINGS in/with your novel.

From what I can discern at present, I believe the angels in submission to God Almighty are rarely involved in anything that would be construed as a UFO sort of thing.

Certainly they are alien in a sense to our time/space dimension/planet in that they function at least in the spiritual dimension primarily and well beyond earth as needed!

I appreciate your post.

Blessings,

[Las Vegas Dave]

FYI: The book, "Disclosure" is available for $15 + $5 shipping, (Amazon wants $25 + shipping), from Dr. Steven Greer’s website, http://www.cseti.org/

I tried to purchase it last evening, but had a problem with the web site, will call them direct, later today.

HAPPY TURKEY DAY, ALL!

[Quix]

Thanks for the info.

[Quix]

Would greatly enjoy your posting your responses to the book hereon.

Perhaps we should start another thread linking to this one?

I forget how best to do that. Do you know how?

Blessings,
Q

[185JHP]

The "shaved chimps" idea is based on the govt.'s strange actions and documented history of duplicity. Have you read "Report From Iron Mountain"? The need to distract peole from the truth, to divert dangerous nuts, to find out who the nuts are, and so forth, can make for "strange bedfellows" indeed. I like to paraphrase the Buckaroo Banzai quote this way: "Some things aren't what they appear to be. But everything is exactly what it is."

[Quix]

I thought it was somone's guesstimate to explain thinking that it was something like the common greys etc.

I certainly could imagine the rest of what you described. Sounds like the "gubment" alright.

Thanks.

[Quix]

Is it normal for the SciFi channel to have like the ROSWELL archeological study program AND STAR GATE on so repeatedly all week? Is that sort of thing common? We've only had DIRECT TV a short time.

And why these two programs?

And why now?

[185JHP]

It'll unravel. Give it time.

[Quix]

It increasingly feels in my gut that

the fabric of reality as we've known it

is all set to unravel far more than anyone

could imagine possible.

[Quix]

AND AND AND,

A BUNCH OF XFILES ALL DAY THANKSGIVING WITH

EXCEEDINGLY . . . WHAT . . . startling???

UFO STUFF THROUGH AND THROUGH.

Somehow, I just don't believe this is all coincidence or product marketing. I just don't believe it. Looney I may be, but I just don't believe it.

[Sam Cree]

I would be happy to be pinged, thanks.

[JavaTheHutt]

lol....I am Albert of Gore. Take me to your leader. please, a pic of: I am Thomas of Daschle Take me to your ladder.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Thanks, I needed that laugh!

[Las Vegas Dave]

Interesting? (From Drudge Report)

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Britain to Publish Files on UFO Sightings
Thu November 28, 2002 10:59 AM ET
LONDON (Reuters) - The British government will publish files on reported UFO sightings as part of a shake-up of its laws on freedom of information.
Among the documents to be published is the "Rendlesham File," which deals with one of the country's best known sightings of an unidentified flying object.

Until now, only about 20 members of the public have seen the file, which relates to a sighting in Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk, eastern England, in 1980.

According to some UFO enthusiasts, eyewitnesses including U.S. officers at a nearby military base saw a brilliantly lit spaceship land in the forest on two consecutive nights.

Skeptics say the witnesses were fooled by the beam from a lighthouse on the nearby coast.

The Rendlesham file has been available to the public for some time but only at the discretion of the Ministry of Defense.

Now, the government says it will publish it on the Internet before the end of this week, along with other files on reported UFO sightings.

"These first steps mark important progress toward changing the culture of government and extending the public's right to know what is being done in their name," Freedom of Information Minister Yvette Cooper said in a statement.

The government says it intends to repeal or amend up to 100 pieces of legislation which currently prohibit disclosure of information. It aims to replace them with provisions of a new Freedom of Information Act, passed in 2000.

[cmsgop]

Thank You very much. That was alot of work for you.....

[Quix]

THANKS FOR SAYING SO. It seems enough feel that way--saying so publicly or privately--that I'll likely continue such efforts when they seem warranted.

If you want on [or others want off] my UFO ping list, please let me know.

Below is a latest on the BENTWATERS case. URL to follow in next post.

I SAW A UFO SAYS AIR FORCE CHIEF US air force chief admits mystery lights buzzed his Suffolk airbase

By Bob Roberts


A HIGH-ranking US air force officer and his troops reported seeing a brightly shining UFO in an English forest, it was officially admitted yesterday.

The triangular craft was said to have a pulsing red light on the top and blue lights underneath. It was either hovering or on legs before slipping through the trees as the men closed in. The sighting, featured on TV programmes about unexplained UFOs, was finally revealed by the Government yesterday under the Freedom of Information Act.

The mysterious craft was spotted on December 27 1980 by American airmen at RAF Bentwaters, Woodbridge, Suffolk.

In a report called Unexplained Lights, deputy base commander Lt Col Charles Halt said he saw a "red sun-like light" moving through the trees in Rendlesham Forest.

Three security policemen were given permission to investigate.

Lt Col Halt said: "They reported seeing a strange glowing object in the forest.

"The object was described as being metallic in appearance and triangular in shape, approximately two to three metres across the base and approximately two metres high.

"It illuminated the entire forest with a white light. The object itself had a pulsing red light on top and a bank of blue lights underneath. The object was hovering or on legs.

"As the patrolmen approached the object, it manoeuvred through the trees and disappeared. At this time, the animals on a nearby farm went into a frenzy."

The UFO was spotted an hour later near the back gate to the base.

Next morning, Lt Col Halt and his men discovered three 7in circular depressions in the ground. Radiation around them was 10 times higher than normal.

Lt Col Halt told how the UFO returned. He said: "Later in the night, a red sun-like light was seen through the trees.

"At one point, it appeared to throw off glowing particles, then broke into five separate white objects and disappeared.

"Immediately thereafter, three star-like objects were noticed.

"The objects moved rapidly in sharp, angular movements and displayed red, green and blue lights."

[Quix]

URL FOR ABOVE ON BENTWATERS:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12412273&method=full&siteid=50143

[Mustang]

I admire your spunk Q...but here's the deal:

Eons ago...a time before our planet had grains of sand to measure, a Higher Power ignited a fuse toward birth.

Our Universe continues to expand. Those whom may have visited our orb, post the "big bang", ...are still with us. We are they. No one is an alien. Our Universe is exactly what its meaning means.

Mustang sends.

[Mustang]

Just had to give a 0553 EST bump from the 1st Coast.

Sometimes these out'a sight threads need some inner reflection.

Mustang sends...w/grey matter intact... :-D & :->