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Putin tells reporter to 'get circumcised'
ABC News ^ | 11/12/02 | staff

Posted on 11/12/2002 8:50:00 AM PST by ppaul

Russia's media expressed has shock over a remark by Russian President Vladimir Putin at the Russia-EU summit in which he urged a Western reporter asking about the war in Chechnya to come to Moscow and "get circumcised".

Mr Putin's comments, made at a closing press conference of the Russia-EU summit in Brussels, were played by TVS television station and republished by several major Moscow newspapers and Internet sites.

The Kommersant business daily reports Mr Putin was asked a Danish reporter why Russia was using mine warfare in the separatist North Caucasus republic and exterminating Chechen civilians.

Reports say Mr Putin became infuriated by the question and launched an unprecedented defence of the three-year Chechen war that at one stage went off on a tangent.

"You, if I am not mistaken, represent an ally [of the US war on terror] and are therefore in danger," Mr Putin told the reporter, according to a transcript that appeared in the Vremya Novostei daily.

"They [the Chechens] talk about killing non-Muslims and if you are a Christian, you are in danger. And even if you are an atheist, you are in danger," Mr Putin is quoting as saying.

"If you decide to become a Muslim - even then you are not safe, because traditional Islam contradicts the conditions and goals that they [the Chechens rebels] set.

"But if you are prepared to become the most radical Islamist and prepared to get circumcised - I invite you to Moscow.

"We have specialists that deal with this problem. I suggest that you do such an operation that nothing grows out of you again," Mr Putin reportedly said.

Mr Putin is known for his tough talk that at times becomes interlaced with slang used by criminals and the military.

He launched the war in the predominantly Muslim Chechen republic in October 1999 by threatening to "waste [the Chechens] while they sit in their outhouses".

Russian media say a Kremlin aide explained to reporters after the Brussels press conference that Mr Putin was tired during the summit after a hectic working schedule.

The wide coverage given to Mr Putin's remarks appears unusual for a Russian media that has grown to carefully toe the Kremlin line in recent months.

Advice dismissed

Meanwhile, Mr Putin has brushed aside European advice on a peaceful solution to the Chechen conflict, saying it had to be solved by the Russian and Chechen people alone.

"Of course we listen to advice from our colleagues in Europe," Mr Putin told a news conference in Oslo after talks with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, who said he hoped for a peaceful, political solution in Chechnya.

But he added: "It is an internal Russian problem to be solved between the Chechen people and the Russian federation."

Russia has scrapped plans for a partial military pullout from the southerly province since Chechen separatists took a Moscow theatre hostage last month.

The siege ended with the deaths of 128 hostages and 41 rebels.

"We don't want to turn up our noses and say that others' opinions are irrelevant," Mr Putin said.

But he added: "The problem is so complicated that no one can give really good advice."

Mr Putin said Europe had some good examples of conflict resolution but that other conflicts had rumbled on unsolved in other parts of Europe for hundreds of years.

Mr Putin has shown no sign of reining in the Russian military in Chechnya, where thousands of people have died in almost a decade of fighting.

Mr Putin has said a new constitution and elections offer the best prospects of a swift resolution.

"The political process on Chechnya must continue," Mr Schroeder said.

Mr Putin and Mr Schroeder met in Oslo because Mr Putin cancelled a planned visit to Germany last month during the theatre siege. Both men were, by coincidence, on visits to the Nordic nation.

Mr Schroeder and Mr Putin also said a UN resolution seeking to disarm Iraq offered a chance of peace.

Shortly afterwards, Iraq's parliament voted to reject the resolution while leaving the final decision to President Saddam Hussein.

Mr Putin said he hoped Arab countries would bring pressure on Iraq to comply.

Mr Putin said Moscow was keeping up contacts with Baghdad but that only Saddam knew what Iraq would finally decide.

Mr Schroeder reiterated on Monday that Germany would not take part in any US-led attacks on Iraq if Saddam failed to comply fully with the resolution.

Mr Schroeder won popularity before his re-election in September by ruling out sending troops.



TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
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To: mikeIII
Well yer preachin to the choir here, man! I was being a little tongue in cheeky' in that last post. :-)
201 posted on 11/12/2002 12:10:32 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
No it wouldn't. But can you force true belief out of a person who for whatever reason is only willing to see a small portion of the picture?

The greater portion of the picture includes a loving relationship with a creator who can (*IF* he wanted to) just speak you out of existence. Can you force that kind of relationship and have it based upon love? Can you force any kind of loving relationship?

202 posted on 11/12/2002 12:13:13 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: stuartcr
I never said a majority of Muslims are involved with terrorist acts. What is your point? I do believe a majority of Muslims would like to see Islamic law implemented throughout the world.
203 posted on 11/12/2002 12:13:41 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: mikeIII
Why should those billions of Muslims react the way you want them to? If all those billions were really violent murderers, I would think that we all would be dead. People do not have to act the way you think they should.
204 posted on 11/12/2002 12:13:45 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
You have a point. I do hope that these people who claim Islam for their faith will continue to live in peace. If they come to the point where they must choose, I pray they will choose love of their fellow man over Islam.
205 posted on 11/12/2002 12:14:47 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: DainBramage
You're good, a cut above...

Thanks for the tip?

206 posted on 11/12/2002 12:17:12 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: stuartcr
The analogy by the way (don't you watch Star Trek at all???) is comparing human beings to the Borg (who all think the same - who forcibly assimilate any race they come across who are not Borg). The Borg are a collective of automatons. While they are efficient in what they do, they are not human, they have no feelings nor love for one another.

That is why we do not all believe the same. Because the Origin Of Truth has given us the choice *not* to.
207 posted on 11/12/2002 12:17:54 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: Terriergal
There is a big difference between a true belief, and the truth. A person can truely believe in something, but that doesn't make it right or true. Those Muslims that are killing and conducting jihad, truely believe, that doesn't make what they are doing true, or right. I don't understand why you think we have to have a relationship with our creator. He is God, all powerful entity, how does a flesh&blood human have a relationship with God?
208 posted on 11/12/2002 12:19:09 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
If all those billions were really violent murderers, I would think that we all would be dead.

They are working on making them so. Thank G_d for the part of them that holds back from rushing into Jihad. And on making US so (either dead or Muslim).

209 posted on 11/12/2002 12:19:24 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Sorry, I thought you believed that Islamic law meant the eradication of non-believers, my mistake.
210 posted on 11/12/2002 12:20:59 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
Domination over non-believers at the least...eradication? I wouldn't put it past them. What the heck is wrong with you anyway?
211 posted on 11/12/2002 12:22:27 PM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Terriergal
I know :-).

I just wanted to make that point!

212 posted on 11/12/2002 12:23:06 PM PST by mikeIII
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To: ValerieUSA
Maybe you can answer my question in post 122.

"With ex-communists running everything in Russia, what political ideology do you think those ex-communists are following in their latest adventure?"

213 posted on 11/12/2002 12:25:09 PM PST by thinktwice
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To: areafiftyone
That would emasculate virtually all of the liberal reporters with the possible exception of Helen Thomas.
214 posted on 11/12/2002 12:26:04 PM PST by HardStarboard
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To: Terriergal
Sorry, I don't watch much tv. What's the difference if you are being assimilated by Christians, Islams, Hindis, Jews, etc? If the origin of truth means we do not all have to believe the same, doesn't that mean that none of the religions are the truth? This is why I just believe in God for all, and leave it at that. Makes for a much less complicated life.
215 posted on 11/12/2002 12:26:20 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: Terriergal
It's been around 1500 yrs, I would think that if they really wanted to kill us all, there would be a lot more dead by their means.
216 posted on 11/12/2002 12:27:37 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr
There is a big difference between a true belief, and the truth.

I heartily, most heartily, agree!!

I don't understand why you think we have to have a relationship with our creator. He is God, all powerful entity, how does a flesh&blood human have a relationship with God?

Well, this brings up an interesting tangent which can be quite subjective.

When I examine the Bible I see that it says that human beings are created for a relationship with the Almighty and that we will not find fulfillment anywhere else. IMO - and in my belief - those who keep on falling into evil are trying to fill that void with something else, the void that only the Creator can fill.

You assume that humans are only flesh and blood, whereas the Bible (as well as a lot of theists) would claim a human being is spirit also, in contrast to the animals who *are,* according to Christian teaching, only flesh and blood.

It is in that spirit which we have a relationship with God and our flesh (our mind and hearts and ensuing actions) should reflect that.

from:http://www.letusreason.org/Islam10.htm
"It is a spiritual fact that the God we serve and worship will conform us to his likeness."

If one's god is chaotic and mercurial and violent as Allah seems to be then the deeper one gets into Islam, the more they will reflect those characteristics.

217 posted on 11/12/2002 12:28:24 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Sorry, I didn't realize that by not thinking like you, there was something wrong with me.
218 posted on 11/12/2002 12:28:58 PM PST by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr; ItisaReligionofPeace
Either eradication or subjugation of nonbelievers, yes. I would say Islamic law teaches that as the ideal. I can't imagine the US or most other countries would submit to being essentially slaves under Islamic rule, so the only other choice is for us to be exterminated.
219 posted on 11/12/2002 12:30:53 PM PST by Terriergal
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
Geez take it easy on him. He's being civil.
220 posted on 11/12/2002 12:31:26 PM PST by Terriergal
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