Libertarians are big time spoilers in Gov races

ma-firearms@world.std.com ^ | 11/6/02 | Ioffe

[pabianice]

* means NRA endorsment. Grade is the NRA grade.

Alabama:

*(D) Siegelman 674,052 A+

(R) Riley 670,913 A

(L) Sophocleus 23,242

Oregon:

(D) Kulongoski 493,385 C+

(R) Mannix 490,745 A

(L) Cox 47,444

Wisconsin:

(D) Doyle 800,958 F

*(R) McCallum 732,781 A

(L) Thompson 185,085

Wyoming:

(D) Freudenthal 89,407 A-

*(R) Bebout 85,556 A+

(L) Dawson 3,800

Not to mention that Thune will probably lose South Dakota Senate seat by a smaller margin that the Libertarian in that race got...

(D) Johnson 167,481 C+

*(R) Thune 166,954 A

(L) Evans 3,071

So basically Libertarians brought 2 anti-gun governors, and possibly kept Daschle's clone in power. My question is why Libertarians run against good pro-gun candidates? I realize that there are other issues besides guns. Meanwhile people of Wisconsin have to wait another 4 years for gun licenses...

[porte des morts]

If I recall :

Say bye bye to welfare reform.

Seems that this issue was passed with little problem during this dem led assembly you use as a scape goat.

Say bye bye to school choice.

Again, who did T.Thompson have to work thru on this issue to get it passed?

Say bye bye to owning ammunition.

You throw a curve here, is Doyle going to ban the sale of ammo in the state of WI? This is news to me.

Say bye bye to concealed carry legislation

How do you say goodbye to something that does not exist? The GOP had a long power ride in the state of WI and your issue was constantly shoved aside. Wake up already.

I find it interesting you blame the demos and Ed Thompson for the GOP and T.Thompson foisting a complete loser platform, and candidate on the voters.Ed Thompson did not lose the election for McCallum; McCallum and the GOP did that all themselves.

[Maelstrom]

Almost enough to make you consider foreswearing voting Republican even in those races where a Libertarian isn't available isn't it?

Useful persuasive tactics from too many in this crowd. They haven't even taken control yet, and won't until January, and are already looking for scapegoats for policies restraining government power they refuse implement.

If they keep this shit up, they lose big time in the next 2 years. Instead they should heed Libertarian advice and pre-empt us...saving us the need to consider their rhetoric in a negative light, and possible save us the need to run candidates in certain districts.

[Roscoe]

Ok, please explain how it doesn't gut the Bill of Rights.

Your assertion. Can't back it up?

[cruiserman]

It's where I get my daily news, believe it or not.

[RANDomScout]

Not to mention that Thune will probably lose South Dakota Senate seat by a smaller margin that the Libertarian in that race got... (D) Johnson 167,481 C+ *(R) Thune 166,954 A (L) Evans 3,071 So basically Libertarians brought 2 anti-gun governors, and possibly kept Daschle's clone in power. My question is why Libertarians run against good pro-gun candidates? I realize that there are other issues besides guns. Meanwhile people of Wisconsin have to wait another 4 years for gun licenses... Food for thought.

Here's some food for thought: Some 337,000+ voted in this race. Assuming 40% participation (just going with an average here) that leaves 500,000+ registered voters that chose not to vote at all. Before blaming a loss on 3000+ that actually made it to the polls, but chose not to vote for your candidate, maybe you should first look at those in the 500,000+ that would have voted for your candidate, but didn't even make the effort.

[carenot]

My discussion with my Libertarian friend was that I felt that drug testing by companies was wrong because it violated my rights. My friend told me that my "rights" ended at the doorway of the business. I'm sorry BUT I don't buy that for a minute.

I am a libertarian, if I own a business and I don't like your haircut or your girlfriend, I should not be forced to give you a job. I should be able to hire or fire whom I want. If I don't want you to smoke or drink off the job in your own home, I should be able to fire you.

If I require you to smoke at least one cigarette in front of me, and won't, then I can fire you. I don't like like you, you are fired. It is my company, why should Government force me to pay you?

You are too old/young? I should not be forced to do anything I don't want to with my business. It is mine.

'Corse I can just shut down, and go to another country.

[cruiserman]

I don't really know any libertarians that claim to be conservative. Usually it's the Dems who claim that libs are more conservative than Reps.

I guess it comes down to the definition of conservative.

[Moby Grape]

"Just face it: unless the republicans find a way to appeal to the Libertarian voters, they just aren't going to get his vote".

Well, I pray to God that the republicans don't start calling for legalization of drugs and stick their heads in the sand on foreign policy. If they do, I won't vote for them, or the Liberatarians...so JUST FACE IT: The Libertarians are NOT going to control ANY legislative house, but they may help democrats do so.

[carenot]

How are the Rs going to give us jobs? Build a dam? Reverse a river.

Oh, pay us to pick up road kill from the middle of the road.

[blau993]

Take a deep breath. Repeat after me:

"I will take my meds on schedule."

"I will take my meds on schedule."

"I WILL take my meds on schedule."

[carenot]

A simple solution to my anti-drug testing position is to apply the 4th amendment to business (as it should be in my book) That is ... unless it is a critical circumstance ... no unreasonable search and seizure by ANY entity.

I agreewith that. My main problem with the WOD is the 4th amendment thing.

I just do beer, cigarettes, coffee and aspirin.

I really don't care what others ingest.I don't drive drunk. If I do I would expect to be in a lot of trouble.

[Monitor]

Seems that this issue was passed with little problem during this dem led assembly you use as a scape goat.

And with a single line-item veto, funding for W2 will disappear.

Again, who did T.Thompson have to work thru on this issue to get it passed?

Again, with a single line-item veto, funding for school choice will disappear. Doyle, more than any politician in the state, is owned by the teacher's union.

You throw a curve here, is Doyle going to ban the sale of ammo in the state of WI? This is news to me.

Doyle proposed verbiage for, and backed, anti-terrorism legislation that would have classified all primers as explosives, thus making the posession of primers a felony, as well as ammunition containing primers, for anyone not in posession of an explosives permit.

How do you say goodbye to something that does not exist?

Well, it certainly won't exist for the next four years, that's for sure. We'd managed to get concealed carry legislation passed by the legislature, we'd managed to get McCallum's assurance he'd sign it once it was on his desk, but it was stopped cold in the Democrat controlled Senate - a Senate which is now in Republican hands. Unfortunately, due to Libertarians, McCallum is no longer in office - an anti-gun Democrat is.

I'm still waiting for the Libertarians here to tell me what great extra-constitutional sin McCallum committed to justify getting a Democrat elected Governor. I've answered your questions, now answer mine.

[anniegetyourgun]

Those are solid DEM solutions - make work projects. Silly, carnot, you know that's not the way Rs operate on the economy.

I think the Prez has made it clear that the plan is to return to the better ways of doing business: make tax cuts permanent, cut capital gains, stop double taxing gains, reduce regs on business, etc.

Gad, I'm wasting my time with folks who don't have ears to hear.....

[carenot]

But also remember that they didn't say women could vote either.

Best I remember, the only ones that could vote was the tax paying land owners.

[carenot]

Almost enough to make you consider foreswearing voting Republican even in those races where a Libertarian isn't available isn't it?

No I did vote for a R, I think. I did vote for Charles Stenholm. He is a D but he is more R than they are.

After that I voted for libertarians. I left it blank when there was only a D or a R.

[carenot]

You are hateful. Why don't you debate?

[Roscoe]

Again, with a single line-item veto, funding for school choice will disappear. Doyle, more than any politician in the state, is owned by the teacher's union.

More bad news.

[carenot]

What are you talking about?

Homeland security, permanent tax cuts, and jobs.

Silly, carnot, you know that's not the way Rs operate on the economy.

I ain't Silly. He ain't allowed here.

So what jobs were you talking about?

[Roscoe]

"Again, with a single line-item veto, funding for school choice will disappear. Doyle, more than any politician in the state, is owned by the teacher's union."

Happy?

[malakhi]

Say bye bye to welfare reform. Say bye bye to school choice. Say bye bye to owning ammunition. Say bye bye to concealed carry legislation.

Oh, you mean the Republican-controlled state senate and assembly are going to pass all that?