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Prison Chaplain thinks sniper suspect (John Mohammed) is part of cult
©Finger Lakes Times 2002 ^ | November 01, 2002 | By: HARI RAO

Posted on 11/01/2002 10:39:29 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

ROMULUS NY- Deacon Gregory Kiley, the Roman Catholic chaplain at Five Points Correctional Facility, believes Muhammad is a member of a cult founded in the New York state prison system.

"I'm quite sure that he belongs to a cult ... called the Five Percenters," said Kiley, who works with prisoners of all faiths at the maximum security facility.

"They are not a part of 'Al-Islam,' the worldwide Muslim community. The references to 'I am God'; the five stars on the letters to police; the phrase [used in the letters] 'Word is bond.' All these suggest a connection."

The Five Percenters spun off from the Nation of Islam in the early 1960s. The Nation of Islam was and is a black nationalist group, founded in 1930. Ted Swedenburg, an anthropology professor at the University of Arkansas, says on a Web site about Five Percenters that much of the Nation of Islam ideology is based not on mainstream Islamic beliefs but on theories of black supremacy.

The founder of the Five Percenters was a man who called himself Clarence 13X. Like his mentor, famed black activist Malcolm X, Clarence 13X became disenchanted with the Nation of Islam and decided to form his own organization.

13X adopted most of the Nation of Islam race theory, adding the doctrine of "I am God." According to this doctrine, a man who masters himself takes control of his own destiny, effectively becoming God. Women are referred to as "Earths," and the religion itself is commonly referred to as "The Nation of Gods and Earths."

The name "Five Percenters" refers to the 5 percent of humanity who are believed to be truly divine, or god-like, according to Kiley, who lives in Clyde.

"A true Muslim would never say 'I am God.' That would be blasphemy, a horrible sin," Kiley said. "Even a person who flies planes into buildings would never say such a thing. Muslims say the prayer, 'There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his prophet.'

"Also, a convert to true Islam would change his first name, not his last name, like Mr. Muhammad did. Changing the last name shows disrespect for the convert's father, according to Islam."

John Muhammad's former name was John Allen Williams.

Kiley said he has worked with Five Percenters, Nation of Islam members, and orthodox Sunni Muslims. He says that today's Nation of Islam, headed by Louis Farrakhan, is moving closer to the worldwide Islamic mainstream. By contrast, the Five Percenters cling to old black supremacy theories and are mostly made up of gang members who are often violent and specialize in extortion, Kiley said.

Investigators believe that one of the purposes of the sniper killings was to extort $10 million from the government. A note left by the snipers in Manassas, Va., demanded that $10 million be left in the account of a stolen credit card. The same note said, "Your children are not safe anywhere, at any time."

The Five Percenter ideology has been embraced by members of the modern rap music community, according to Kiley, Swedenburg and the hip-hop music site, www.africana.com. A song by the Jamaican reggae/rap group Brand Nubian has used the Five Percenter phrase "Word is Bond," a phrase used by the snipers in at least one of their letters, the Washington Post has reported.

Rapper Busta Rhymes, members of the highly influential Wu-Tang Clan, are also reported to be active Five Percenters. Kiley speculated that this is how Muhammad learned of the movement and adopted some of its teachings.

When reached yesterday at the command center in Montgomery County, Md., where the investigation into the sniper case is headquartered, Capt. Nancy Demme said investigators had no knowledge of Muhammad's possible connection to the Five Percenters.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: New York; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bustarhymes; fivepercenters; harirao; islam; jihadinamerica; johnmohammed; maryland; sniper; wutangclan
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1 posted on 11/01/2002 10:39:29 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Its called I-S-L-A-M.
2 posted on 11/01/2002 10:41:14 AM PST by Naspino
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Well we certainly can't have him linked to the "religion of peace" now can we. Must be part of some outragous cult that believes that America must be destroyed...no wait, that is the "religion of peace", my bad.

EBUCK

3 posted on 11/01/2002 10:41:48 AM PST by EBUCK
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The tarot card didn't say, "I am God." It said, "Call me God."
4 posted on 11/01/2002 10:45:17 AM PST by aristeides
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To: Naspino
agreed.
5 posted on 11/01/2002 10:45:35 AM PST by smith288
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To: Naspino
It is called S-C-U-M!
6 posted on 11/01/2002 10:45:37 AM PST by RetiredArmy
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Hopefully soon his only connection will be to an electric chair.

Then he can tell the devil "I am God" all he wants.

7 posted on 11/01/2002 10:46:56 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: aristeides
Is this Five Percenter story disinformation du jour?
8 posted on 11/01/2002 10:47:01 AM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: aristeides
Did it really say "Call me God"? Wow, in retrospect that's a HUGE clue... the 5%ers say that man is God and the proper word for him is ALLAH, standing for Arm Leg Leg Arm Head. But I got this from another Freep thread, so maybe you already saw it.
9 posted on 11/01/2002 10:48:48 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Naspino
This sounds like pure B.S. I heard this mentioned on FoxNews over the weekend then they dropped this story. Me thinks some folks with an interest in trying to obscure any connections to Islam for election reasons are behind floating this story. Ann Coulter last night pointed out that J. Mohammed registered his getaway vehicle with the DMV on the anniversary of Sept. 11 -- writing down the time of registration as 8:52 a.m, the time the first plane hit the World Trade Center. This fact has been supressed. This seems like far more of a significant thing than the opinion of some Catholic priest. How is he an expert on Islamic Imperialism? Not to mention the validated connection of J. Mohammed and Nation of Islam, Mosques, etc. These FACTS are far more relevant than some unsubstantiated opinion of one prison priest.
10 posted on 11/01/2002 10:49:34 AM PST by TimPatriot
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
In the past 40 years, has ANYONE ever dared to fault Muhammad (sp?) Ali for abandoning his faith in Jesus Christ as an expression of racial pride?

One of the side-effects of a 90% illegitimacy rate in the inner cities--created by the Democratic Party's welfare system--is a huge population of unevangelized people. And unbaptized. Missionaries of all Christian churches testify to the prevalence of Satanic influences they encounter in populations who are largely unbaptized.

11 posted on 11/01/2002 10:50:42 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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"'Also, a convert to true Islam would change his first name, not his last name, like Mr. Muhammad did.'"

May I respectfully draw the honorable deacon's attention to Abdul Hamid (aka John Walker Lindh), Muhammad Ali (aka Cassius Clay) and Yusuf Islam (aka Stephen Demetre Georgiou aka Cat Stevens), just to pick the first three converts to Islam that come to mind. Nevertheless, the rest of this "Five Percenter" stuff does seem to fit pretty well.

12 posted on 11/01/2002 10:53:21 AM PST by Fabozz
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I heard of the "Five Percenters" years ago, so that is not made up. I don't know whay the chaplain would lie about his opinion as to what he thinks John Mohammed is a part of.
13 posted on 11/01/2002 10:54:02 AM PST by FreeTally
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FWIW, that bit about the name-changing (or how it should *not* be changed) seems a little arbitrary, or at least not consistent with the names that come to mind most quickly: Cassius Clay, Lew Alcindor, Malcom X, Cat Stevens -- all changed their names completely. (I believe Mike Tyson has converted to Islam, and is still "Mike Tyson" to everybody, though he was quick to drop that "praise Allah" stuff right after 9/11/01.)
14 posted on 11/01/2002 10:56:01 AM PST by jiggyboy
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Travis McGee; harpseal; patton; PsyOps; piasa; SLB; AAABEST; pocat
BTTT !.......Ya'll Stay Safe !
15 posted on 11/01/2002 10:57:36 AM PST by Squantos
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
LOL. This is what happens when Nation of Islam kooks try to incorporate self esteem stuff into Islam. "I Am God."
16 posted on 11/01/2002 10:58:05 AM PST by ffrancone
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To: TimPatriot
Me thinks some folks with an interest in trying to obscure any connections to Islam for election reasons are behind floating this story.

I've said it once, and I'll keep saying this: No one, not one person, does not realize this guy was a MUSLIM. Why you people think this is being "obscured" or "suppressed" is beyond imagination. He changed his last name to MOHAMMED for Pete's sake.

Ann Coulter last night pointed out that J. Mohammed registered his getaway vehicle with the DMV on the anniversary of Sept. 11 -- writing down the time of registration as 8:52 a.m, the time the first plane hit the World Trade Center. This fact has been supressed.

This story was posted here on FR from other media outlets the day after he was caught. Sorry to burst your "suppression" bubble. Don't forget the part about the bomb thread, also widely discussed here on FR.

17 posted on 11/01/2002 10:58:58 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
The founder of the Five Percenters was a man who called himself Clarence 13X

Not to be confused with Clarence 13EEE.

18 posted on 11/01/2002 11:01:13 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I've heard the term "word of bond" - it's more spread than just to "5%ers." Here is a Nation of Islam article entitled "Word is Bond" about a visit to Zimbabbwe. Interesting that this one of my first hits in a search engine.
19 posted on 11/01/2002 11:01:52 AM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy
HR coulda told ya! bump (did hispanarepublica change her handle? she's 'not found')
20 posted on 11/01/2002 11:06:33 AM PST by txhurl
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