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NEW JERSEY DEBATE: Incoherence and Prevarication Characterize Lautenberg's Performance
C-SPAN | 10-30-02 | Mia T

Posted on 10/30/2002 8:10:49 PM PST by Mia T

 

 

 

NEW JERSEY DEBATE:

Incoherence and Prevarication Characterize Lautenberg's Performance

 

Mia T, 10-30-02

As anticipated, the answers to the questions in the animation, below, are a resounding "NO!" and "NO!"

To those who missed the New Jersey debate, it was populated by a motley assortment strange second-string candidates whose primary purpose, it seemed, was to limit Lautenberg's prime-time stumbling.

As it turned out, there weren't nearly enough of them to achieve this end. Lautenberg was ubiquitously incoherent, stumbling, bumbling, nasty, prevaricating and totally out of touch with the needs of the post-9/11 world.

The defining moment, in my view, came when Forrester asked the doddering old fool whether he would change his various votes against the Gulf War and national defense, votes that, along with clinton malfeasance and malpractice, put us in this mess in the first place.

Displaying an intransigence that comes with advanced years, Lautenberg said that he wouldn't change a single vote, seeming to argue that consistent error in the face of terror trumps circumspection and strength. Lautenberg played right into Forrester's hands.

Forrester issued the coup de grâce, stating that Lautenberg's answer was proof positive that we need new thinking for the 21st century, especially in a post-9/11 world.

 

clinton-McAuliffe-DNC CORRUPTING ELECTORAL PROCESS/UNDERMINING HOMELAND SECURITY

Torricelli-Lautenberg-DNC Switcheroo Scheme Not 1st Foray into Virtual Reality

après-ski: Frank's a no-show

See Frank run.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: clintoncorruption; clintonizeddnc; dncagitpropmachine; lautenbergfailure; lautenberglies; lautenbergnoshow; lautenbergsenility; terrysockpuppet; torricellislime
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1 posted on 10/30/2002 8:10:49 PM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Gee, there are 3 guys and a woman other than Forrester standing on stage, all running for Senate.

I guess the Jersey Supreme Court didn't know about them.

2 posted on 10/30/2002 8:13:41 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: Rome2000
LOL!! I'll tell you, if I weren't a republican, I'd think twice about the Libertarian woman...she was awesome before the NJ Supremes!
3 posted on 10/30/2002 8:15:32 PM PST by KsSunflower
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To: Gail Wynand; looscannon; Lonesome in Massachussets; Freedom'sWorthIt; IVote2; Slyfox; Registered; ..
Q ERTY7 PING!

 

 

Thou art arm'd that hath thy crook'd schemers straight.

Cudgel thy brains no more, the clinton plots are great.
 

Mia T, On Neutered and Neutering,

by Mia T and Edward Zehr (EZ)

 

Q ERTY4

AMERICAN MUSEUM--ER--MUSLIM COUNCIL

it won't s-p-i-n

KNOWNOTHING VICTIMS RODHAM/CLINTON REVISITED

 

Q ERTY2 "There isn't a shred of evidence."

 

 

HILLARY, YOU KNOW, KnowNothing Victim Q ERTY4 double bagel,

 

W I D E B O D Y. low-center-of-gravity Dim Bulb, Congenital Bottom Feeder

 

kleptocratic

 

 

Q ERTY3 zipper-hoisted

 

(clinton zipper vitiated by obvious spilth)
 
 
 
Humpty Dummies
 
 

Q ERTY6 utter failure

 

Helen Thomas Syndrome: THE SYMPTOMS

 

4th-Estate Malfeasance (DEATH BY MISREPORT)

 

 

rodham-clinton reality-check BUMP!

 


4 posted on 10/30/2002 8:19:31 PM PST by Mia T
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To: Mia T
Thanks for the highlights of the debate, Mia T. It's so good to see you again as I've missed you.

In one week, the Dims are going to get their clocks rung so bad they won't be able to hear for a month!

Anyway, that's my prediction.
5 posted on 10/30/2002 8:19:50 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Mia T
This was the AP's take on the debate

"I think you saw stylistic differences," Baker said. "Forrester is much smoother than Lautenberg. His delivery is flawless and without a hitch."

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-nj--senaterace1030oct30,0,3821904.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire

It's pretty pathetic that that's the best they could come up with to describe a a bungling old man debating a clear thinking well spoken Republican.

6 posted on 10/30/2002 8:20:07 PM PST by Fzob
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7 posted on 10/30/2002 8:26:50 PM PST by binger
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To: Mia T
IT'S 6 DAYS 'TIL THE ELECTION

GOOD INTENTIONS DON'T WIN ELECTIONS.

YOU CAN HELP, TODAY. GO TO:

TakeBackCongress.org

A resource for conservatives who want a Republican majority in the Senate

8 posted on 10/30/2002 8:41:29 PM PST by ffrancone
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To: Mia T
It is now the HIGH POINT of the 'LECTION SEASON!! MIA the "T" is back in HIGH GEAR! SOCK-IT-TO-EM-MIA-T!
9 posted on 10/30/2002 8:42:06 PM PST by jaz.357
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To: Mia T
bump
10 posted on 10/30/2002 8:43:48 PM PST by timestax
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To: Mia T
Thanks for the commentary! I missed the debate.

I like this one too! Ha! Ha! Poor Kenny


11 posted on 10/30/2002 9:06:07 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: Incorrigible
The debate is being replayed on C_SPAN right now.
12 posted on 10/30/2002 9:14:52 PM PST by Fred Mertz
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To: Mia T
Watching the replay of the debate now.
good grief! Lautenburg makes Admiral James Stockdale look like Sir Laurence Olivier !
13 posted on 10/30/2002 9:18:32 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: Mia T
But, Mia T, to accuse a Democrat of incoherence and prevarication is like accusing a dog of chasing cars and weeweeing on the fire hydrant.
14 posted on 10/30/2002 9:20:59 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Fred Mertz
I've missed you too, Mia T.
15 posted on 10/30/2002 9:22:56 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Mia T
You know, when the Nazi's ran out of regular infantry, they began to draft the old guys and the merely pubescent boys.

Democrats, it seems, have run out of regular infantry.

16 posted on 10/30/2002 9:24:57 PM PST by Slyfox
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To: Mia T
Mia, you're back! Many of us at FR missed you over the past few months. Great to see your terrific threads again.
17 posted on 10/30/2002 10:53:31 PM PST by nutmeg
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To: Mia T
Thanks for the ping & Good morning...
18 posted on 10/31/2002 2:52:05 AM PST by firewalk
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To: Mia T
Great comments Mia...you have been missed.

Cheers from Chile
19 posted on 10/31/2002 2:58:00 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: Savage Beast
Q ERTY7 BIG BUMP!

 

THE OTHER NIXON
by Mia T
 
 
Hypocrisy abounds in this Age of clinton, a Postmodern Oz rife with constitutional deconstruction and semantic subversion, a virtual surreality polymarked by presidential alleles peccantly misplaced or, in the case of Jefferson, posthumously misappropriated.
 
Shameless pharisees in stark relief crowd the Capitol frieze:
 
Baucus, Biden, Bingaman, Breaux, Bryan, Byrd, Cohen, Conrad, Daschle, Dodd, Gore, Graham, Harkin, Hollings, Inouye, Kennedy, Kerrey, Kerry, Kohl, Lautenberg, Leahy, Levin, Lieberman, Mikulski, Moynihan, Reid, Robb, Rockefeller, Sarbanes, Schumer.
 
These are the 28 sitting Democratic senators, the current Vice President and Secretary of Defense -- clinton defenders all -- who, in 1989, voted to oust U.S. District Judge Walter Nixon for making "false or misleading statements to a grand jury."
 
In 1989 each and every one of these men insisted that perjury was an impeachable offense.
(What a difference a decade and a decadent Democrat make.)
 
Senator Herb Kohl (November 7, 1989):
"But Judge Nixon took an oath to tell the truth and the whole truth. As a grand jury witness, it was not for him to decide what would be material. That was for the grand jury to decide. Of all people, Federal Judge Walter Nixon certainly knew this.
 
"So I am going to vote 'guilty' on articles one and two. Judge Nixon lied to the grand jury. He misled the grand jury. These acts are indisputably criminal and warrant impeachment."
 
 
Senator Tom Daschle (November 3, 1989):
"This morning we impeached a judge from Mississippi for failing to tell the truth. Those decisions are always very difficult and certainly, in this case, it came after a great deal of concern and thoughtful analysis of the facts."
 
 
Congressman Charles Schumer (May 10, 1989):  
"Perjury, of course, is a very difficult, difficult thing to decide; but as we looked and examined all of the records and in fact found many things that were not in the record it became very clear to us that this impeachment was meritorious."
 
 
Senator Carl Levin (November 3, 1989):
"The record amply supports the finding in the criminal trial that Judge Nixon's statements to the grand jury were false and misleading and constituted perjury. Those are the statements cited in articles I and II, and it is on those articles that I vote to convict Judge Nixon and remove him from office."
 
* * * * *
 
"The hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself," observed the philosopher Hannah Arendt. "What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core."
 
If hypocrisy is the vice of vices, then perjury is the crime of crimes, for
perjury provides the necessary cover for all other crimes.
 
David Lowenthal, professor emeritus of political science at Boston College makes the novel and compelling argument that perjury is "bribery consummate, using false words instead of money or other things of value to pervert the course of justice" and, thus, perjury is a constitutionally enumerated high crime.
 
The Democrats' defense of clinton's perjury -- and their own hypocrisy -- is
three-pronged.
 
ONE:
clinton's perjuries were "just about sex" and therefore "do not rise to the level of an impeachable offense."
 
This argument is spurious. The courts make no distinction between perjuries. Perjury is perjury. Perjury attacks the very essence of democracy. Perjury is bribery consummate.
 
Moreover, (the clinton spinners notwithstanding), clinton's perjury was not "just about sex." clinton's perjury was about clinton denying a citizen justice by lying in a civil rights-sexual harassment case about his sexual history with subordinates.
 
TWO:
Presidents and judges are held to different standards under the Constitution.
 
Because the Constitution stipulates that federal judges, who are appointed for life, "shall hold their offices during good behavior,'' and because there is no similar language concerning the popularly elected, term-limited president, it must have been perfectly agreeable to the Framers, so the (implicit) argument goes, to have a perjurious, justice-obstructing reprobate as president.
 
clinton's defenders ignore Federalist No. 57, and Hillary Rodham's constitutional treatise on impeachable acts -- written in 1974 when she wanted to impeach a president; both mention "bad conduct" as grounds for impeachment.
 
"Impeachment," wrote Rodham, "did not have to be for criminal offenses -- but only for a 'course of conduct' that suggested an abuse of power or a disregard for the office of the President of the United States...A person's 'course of conduct' while not particularly criminal could be of such a nature that it destroys trust, discourages allegiance, and demands action by the Congress...The office of the President is such that it calls for a higher level of conduct than the average citizen in the United States."
 
Hamilton (or Madison) discussed the importance of wisdom and virtue in Federalist 57. "The aim of every political constitution is, or ought to be, first to obtain for rulers men who possess most wisdom to discern, and most virtue to pursue, the common good of the society; and in the next place, to take the most effectual precautions for keeping them virtuous whilst they continue to hold their public trust."
 
(Contrast this with clinton, who recklessly, reflexively and feloniously subordinates the common good to his personal appetites.)
 
Because the Framers did not anticipate the demagogic efficiency of the electronic bully pulpit, they ruled out the possibility of an MTV mis-leader (and impeachment-thwarter!) like clinton. In Federalist No. 64, John Jay said: "There is reason to presume" the president would fall only to those "who have become the most distinguished by their abilities and virtue." He
imagined that the electorate would not "be deceived by those brilliant appearances of genius and patriotism which, like transient meteors, sometimes mislead as well as dazzle."
 
(If the clinton debacle teaches us anything, it is this: If we are to retain our democracy in this age of the electronic demagogue, we must recalibrate the constitutional balance of power.)
 
THREE:
The president can be prosecuted for his alleged felonies after he leaves office.
(Nota bene ROBERT RAY.)
 
This clinton-created censure contrivance -- borne out of what I have come to call the "Lieberman Paradigm" (clinton is an unfit president; therefore clinton must remain president) -- is nothing less than a postmodern deconstruction in which the Oval Office would serve for two years as a holding cell for the perjurer-obstructor.
 
Such indecorous, dual-purpose architectonics not only threatens the delicate constitutional framework -- it disturbs the cultural aesthetic. The senators must, therefore, roundly reject this elliptic scheme.

In this postmodern Age of clinton, we may, from time to time, selectively stomach corruption. But we must never abide ugliness. Never.

 

20 posted on 10/31/2002 4:26:26 AM PST by Mia T
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