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'China to Replace US as the Engine for World Economy'
The Peoples Daily (China) ^ | 10.26.02

Posted on 10/26/2002 8:25:34 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State

'China to Replace US as the Engine for World Economy'

Taking advantage of World Economic Forum Asian Department Director Dr. Richter's visit to China, our reporter recently conducted an exclusive interview with him on such hot issues as the prospect of China's economy, and the development trend of the world economy. Dr. Richter indicated that China is expected to become a new "engine" for world economic development within five years because it is one of the few bright points of the world economy.

Reporter: The UN, the IMF and other organizations have, in their regular economic reports, lowered their anticipated world economic growth, the US-centered global economic recession tends to become increasingly serious, what's your view about this and when can the world economy get out of a slump?

Richter: The figures released recently by The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) show that Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) globe-wide dropped 50 percent compared with last year, this is a very pessimistic figure, among all regions including the United States, Europe and Japan, only investment made in China has witnessed growth, the world economy presents not an optimistic outlook, the globe will possibly enter a new recession which will last a longer time. There exist problems with some large transnational corporations of Europe and America, such as the famous American Ford and Italian Fiat, and some transnational corporations even face the danger of being closed.

The US economy once had all along been the engine for world economic development, but now it is faced with predicament and plagued by chaos, under such circumstances, who can replace the United States to become the engine for world economic development? Is it Europe, Japan or China? The situation in Europe does not make one feel optimistic either, although Japan presently remains the world's second largest economic entity, its banking system is faced with many difficult problems, if its banking system is properly rectified, it may give new hopes, but due to its domestic problems, it is impossible for Japan to replace the United States. Then, who, after all, can replace the United States? Only China! China's economic situation is very good, not only its domestic situation is favorable, but also more and more overseas investments are turned to China which is hopefully to take the place of the United States in five years to become the main motive force for global economic growth.

Reporter: What influence will the deteriorating external environment exert on China's economic development?

Richter: China will not suffer from negative influence, on the contrary, it will possibly get benefit therefrom. China is one of the bright points of the global economy, and it will attract more and more foreign investments. Of course, China also has competitive rivals, both India and Mexico are trying to attract foreign capital.

Reporter: Would you please give a forecast of the prospect for China's economic development, what favorable and unfavorable factors are therein, especially in the aftermath of China's WTO Entry?

Richter: The competitiveness of China's economy is growing in strength, not only State-owned enterprises, but private enterprises as well are witnessing ever-faster development, Chinese enterprises have taken an encouraging step toward globalization, such as Hairer, Legend and TCL, their products are rapidly entering European and American markets, these companies are developing step by step to become global transnational corporations. From a long-term point of view, joining the WTO is beneficial to China, perhaps many transnational companies may create some sort of impact and bring competition on Chinese enterprises, but this is beneficial to China, because only under competitive conditions, can Chinese enterprises experience rapid growth and China's markets become more mature and perfect. In the past, many domestic enterprises were only faced with domestic markets, but now they are confronted with large global markets. Many domestic enterprises have begun to buy up foreign enterprises, for instance, the Shanghai Auto Group participates in buying the share of the ROK's , Daewoo, Petro-China invested in Indonesia and bought the share of an Indonesian oil company.

Of course, China also faces problems that must not be neglected, such as the gap between the east and west economic development, unemployment and the problem relating to the ?¡ãoverheated?¡À infrastructure construction in various localities.

Reporter: In the first half of this year, you stated in one article carried on the Singaporean Strait Times that the Group 8 (the United States, Japan, Germany, France, Italy, Britain, Canada and Russia) should accept China as one of its members. You enumerated in the article many reasons for this, in your opinion, what's the most important point?

Richter: Western countries should change their views about China, many European and American people know little about the situation in China, they should come more often to see for themselves. As to the most important reason, let me give an example. As a member of Group 8, Italy's total GDP amount is incomparable with that of China staying outside the Group, this is the most important index, if Group 8 wants to be representative in the world, it should not neglect the existence of China. Of course, involved here are not only economic factors, but also political factors. The importance of China's economic development has been recognized by more and more people, Western countries should treat China as an equal partner as soon as possible.

Reporter: There are some experts and scholars in the world who express doubts about the truth of China's economic statistics. What do you think about this issue?

Rocjter: I believe that the figures provided by official Chinese sources on economic growth are correct, the trends of China's economic growth are clear to all. Since China is a large country, the composition of various statistical data is very complicated, although we cannot avoid the existence of small errors, whether the growth is 7 percent or 8 percent is not important, small errors will not exert much influence, what is important is that China's economy is still growing steadily.

Reporter: It is said that you are writing a new book on China. Can you say something about this book, what kind of viewpoint are you to present to the readers?

Richter: In this book I will focus on the discussion of three possible scenarios for China's economic development: first, China to replace the United States to become the engine for world economic development; second, China will be plagued by a variety of problems such as stagflation of the Chinese economy and unemployment; third, a mixture of the above two kinds of situation. I think the first scenario is most likely to happen, that is, China will become the engine for world economic development.
 


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1 posted on 10/26/2002 8:25:34 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State
I wouldn't be surprised. Esp. since our business people can't seem to send them enuf money in investments.
2 posted on 10/26/2002 8:28:31 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Enemy Of The State
I believe that China will eventually reject socialism outright and become a capitalist entity (the process is already much further along then many think). Once that happens, look out. The current ruling generation over there represents the last gasp of Communism. The 1989 uprising in Tianemen Square might have been squelched but it continues to take root and bubble under the surface. Once the younger generations begin assuming power, everything will change. For the better, I hope.

But let's not write off the USA either. I predict that we will integrate Canada and Mexico into the USA over the next 100 years (through peaceful means too complicated to explain here) and the United States of America will eventually envelope the entire continents of North and South America.

3 posted on 10/26/2002 8:39:07 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Enemy Of The State
think of japan times 10.
4 posted on 10/26/2002 8:40:53 AM PDT by Red Jones
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To: Red Jones
China may indeed have over 1 billion people but doesn't and will not translate into economic superiority. The average Chinese does not make much more than maybe 50 to 100 Dollars a month. So where will all this economic growth come from? Just in manufacturing?
5 posted on 10/26/2002 8:46:59 AM PDT by jjhunsecker
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To: Enemy Of The State
Does anybody think this could actually happen? That would be very bad.
6 posted on 10/26/2002 8:47:45 AM PDT by unclesam1
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To: Enemy Of The State
It only takes one word to debunk this whole idea. It's the thing that the US has over every country on the planet including China...

innovation.

No one invents, like Americans, and that will keep us in the lead for as far into the future as any of us care to look.

7 posted on 10/26/2002 8:53:07 AM PDT by tcostell
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To: unclesam1
"Does anybody think this could actually happen? "

Well the Clinton-Bush NAFTA, GATT outsourcing jobs and factories deals are doing their best to make it happen. Recently President Bush conceded that our economy was sitting in ships off the shores of California.

8 posted on 10/26/2002 8:56:11 AM PDT by ex-snook
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To: Enemy Of The State
'China to Replace US as the Engine for World Economy'....................through use of slave labor.

Free Market Economies only work when the people are free.

9 posted on 10/26/2002 8:58:44 AM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: Enemy Of The State
many European and American people know little about the situation in China, they should come more often to see for themselves.

I know almost nothing about china. There is no substitute for first hand knowledge. Anyone out there have first hand knowledge ? All I know is that it is a large and populous country and makes a lot of consumer items for walmart. It has a military that is meager compared to the US.

10 posted on 10/26/2002 8:59:10 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: DoctorMichael
What percentage of chinese laborer are slaves and what percentage are free ? I know in the US, we have 2 million people incarcerated out of 280 million. Our percentage is about 0.8 percent.
11 posted on 10/26/2002 9:01:06 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: jjhunsecker
Per capita gdp in china is about 200 dollars per person per month. Assuming a few people are either retired, or children, a guess would be that a person working in china makes about 300 dollars per month. Per capita gdp in the US is about 3000 dollars per month. A working person in the US makes about 6000 per month (pre tax) because a lot of people in the US are retired or children.
12 posted on 10/26/2002 9:06:22 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: jjhunsecker
China may indeed have over 1 billion people but doesn't and will not translate into economic superiority. The average Chinese does not make much more than maybe 50 to 100 Dollars a month.

Well, try to imagine the world when 1 billion 'affluent' Chinese can afford to drive 1 billion cars on 1 million miles of Chinese highways. For example, let's try to estimate the price of oil under the circumstances. And factor in 1 billion Indians too.

My point? We can't afford a prosperous China and/or India at this time. It simple CAN'T happen.

The best they can do is to drag US down to their level of prosperity and... it's probably happening as we speak.

13 posted on 10/26/2002 9:09:46 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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To: staytrue
My understanding is that most of the current Chinese business's are either "fronts" for the Chinese military and Communist party and the rest are run by 'numba-one son' or 'numba-two-nephew' of some Kommunist Party official that can trace his capitalist expertise back to the Long March with Chairman Mao.

China is no longer Communist.

China is now an emerging Facist nation.

14 posted on 10/26/2002 9:12:09 AM PDT by DoctorMichael
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To: Enemy Of The State
This is wishful thinking and total nonsense.

The model for productivity is a free society.

China will never have a free society.

To think that China will drop communism and majically embrace capitalism is not just a wishful thought, it is an uninformed thought.

China is provincially ruled by a three way coalition make up of the Military, Government and Gangs.

If I remember correctly they have a standing army of way over 100 Million men.
15 posted on 10/26/2002 9:12:25 AM PDT by Pylot
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To: jjhunsecker
The average Chinese does not make much more than maybe 50 to 100 Dollars a month. So where will all this economic growth come from? Just in manufacturing?

You have to remember that Chinese purchasing power has not being destroyed by an intrusive regulatory state. Their fiscal burden of government is 2X lower than America's.

For instance, when an American buys a "$23,000" Ford Taurus about 10,350 of those dollars are pocketed by the government. The accumulated tax burden in America is staggering.

You can have your transmission rebuilt for $100 in China. The number only seem low because you are living in a Socialist kleptocracy.

16 posted on 10/26/2002 9:15:46 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: staytrue
I know almost nothing about china. There is no substitute for first hand knowledge. Anyone out there have first hand knowledge ? All

China at the street level feels like America must have in the 1890's. Free market capitalism is absolutely out of control. They are some of the most dynamic,innovative people on earth. The average republican is a Socialist compared to the average chinese. Fiscal burden of government is 2X lower than the states and they are pushing for tax reform. They will have a flat tax while we are bickering over deficit spending for Social Security. Once they ditch the government, stand back.

17 posted on 10/26/2002 9:19:19 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: staytrue
A street level article by Quantum Fund co-founder Jim Rogers.

The Roaring Dragon

SHANGHAI, China --- Today I did something I’ve contemplated doing for decades: I walked into a Chinese brokerage house in Shanghai and opened a brokerage account so I could buy Chinese equities.

Paige and I entered China on the first of April across the Kazakhstan-Chinese border. We drove eastward across the Gobi Desert, along some excellent roads, stopping along the route---Yining, Urumqi, Hami, Lanzhou, and Xi’an---that I’ve taken twice before on journeys over the past eleven years. Despite the widespread reports in the western press about how poorly China is doing economically, our eyes told us a different story.

Hami, which in 1988 had a way in and out that was more a boulder-strewn path than a road, has turned into a boomtown, packed with trucks, cars, and motorcycles--as well as goats, geese, and cattle. In 1990 there were no dealers for motorcycles; today there are three. In Yining street markets were everywhere, and its streets, too, were filled with vehicular traffic.

Where before there were only a few state shops, now private shops proliferate. In 1990 there were no gas stations; once I was forced to go to a Red Army outpost and beg for gas. On this trip we’ve found an abundance of secular temples to gasoline, elaborate service stations with ten pumps and enough arches to rival McDonald’s. In Xi’an we even found several Mercedes.

In 1990 there was but a budding hotel industry; today there are three times as many hotels, many up to world standards. As for nightlife, in Hami and elsewhere there are many discos, karaoke bars, and nightclubs. Young men are dressed in suits and ties; only the older crowd wear Mao suits.

The western press wants to make much of the lack of human rights in China, but in 8,000 kilometers of travel we were stopped only a couple of times at checkpoints, whereas as we crossed the Stans—our fast allies—we were stopped scores and scores of times by heavy-handed police. Here in China everyone is too busy making money to poke his nose into anyone else’s business.

Today China is all construction, markets, and factories. Looking east from our hotel room in Nanjing, the old southern capital, we counted twelve separate cranes working at skyscraper sites, not that there was any shortage of skyscrapers. Everywhere the Chinese are feverishly building highways, houses, shops, and factories. Many of the roads are as good as the Autobahn – and much of all this has been built by hand, just as were the Grand Canal and the Great Wall a couple thousand years ago.

Along all the roads in every town and village we found constant activity, bustling markets, Chinese eagerly working, buying and selling at every turn, and an astonishing array of new consumer goods—bicycles, radios, trucks, cars, TVs, clothes—made by both foreign and domestic manufacturers. You name the consumer good, and the Chinese are buying and selling it. China is by far the most dynamic country we’ve encountered, making the boomtimes in Ireland and Turkey pale in comparison.

On my previous visits I stopped at a temple or two, but never had a sense they were too important to the Chinese. No longer: we are constantly running into packed Buddhist, Taoist, and Confucian temples, and the surprise is the extent of the crowds. An additional surprise is the sheer number of thriving mosques and Christian churches. We’ve stumbled onto several churches with vibrant congregations. I never know who is the more startled: Paige and I or the worshippers—some of whose families have been Christian for 200 years. We have yet to find anyone of any faith who is feeling repressed. Some of the oldest members can remember problems under Mao, but the younger ones are bewildered by the question.

All in all I am sure there are some rights’ violations; they exist in every country, especially in developing countries. Even Plato wrote about them as long ago as The Republic. My sense after six weeks close to the ground, however, is that the human rights’ tempest in the West is a cover for those with some other agenda, such as protecting their own interests from a dynamic new country.

How did China get here? Its recent history is fascinating. Starting in 1978 its leadership has moved the economy from Soviet-style central planning to more of a market-based economy, yet all within Communist Party political control. In place of collectivization in agriculture, national leadership has stressed "household responsibility," allowing households to produce and sell, which has boosted farm production tremendously. In the same way, local officials and plant managers have been allowed far more control over their domains, and Beijing opened up the country to foreign investment. The result has been a quadrupling of gross domestic product over the past 20 years, with both agriculture and industry making enormous strides. The World Bank estimates that China’s GDP might have been as high as $4.25 trillion in 1997.

While successful overall, from this uniquely Chinese stew has sometimes come the worst of both systems. From the constraints of the Communist Party have come corruption and the petty hassles of bureaucracy, while capitalism has brought inflation and the corrupting influence of windfall gains. Between 1992 and 1997 growth reached levels as high as 10% annually, particularly along the prosperous coast.

The government, with some of the best national leadership in China’s history, has had its work cut out for it. Tens of millions of surplus rural workers have floated between the villages, towns, and cities, sustained only with low-paying part-time work. The Chinese leaders have struggled to keep afloat the large state-owned enterprises, few of which have grown with the rest of the country. In addition, it’s been hard for the national government to collect the revenues it felt it needed. On top of these problems, the leadership has not only struggled to reduce corruption and other economic crimes but also to contain the deterioration of the environment—air pollution, soil erosion, and the steady fall of the water table in the north.

Will there be continued tensions between the Communist Party and the decentralized economic system? Absolutely. How will they be resolved? I believe in favor of increasing prosperity, as under Mao the Chinese tried central economic planning for decades and they know it won’t work, just as after seven decades of socialism the peoples of South America came to lose their capacity to believe in economic poppycock.

So now that I’ve seen a country bursting with the capitalist spirit and opened my brokerage account, what stocks might I buy? In China there are two major exchanges, the first here in Shanghai and the other, south of us in Shenzhen, on both of which a total of some 500 Chinese stocks trade. Many of these are not stocks I want to buy; they are the leftovers from the Communist era, poorly-run government companies the authorities are eager to unload on unsuspecting investors.

And of course there are other impediments. The equity shares of Chinese public companies are divided into A and B shares. The A-shares can only be owned by native Chinese. If they are careful how they go about it, these shares can also be owned by the overseas Chinese, who number many tens of millions around the world. Foreign investors who play it straight---that is, who don’t use a Chinese nominee to trade or invest---are only allowed to purchase B-shares.

At this writing the foreigners’ B-shares are not convertible into A-shares. Whereas at one time western enthusiasm for China was so large that B-shares sold at a premium to A-shares, today Western pessimism toward China is so great that these B-shares have fallen 85% from their highs. Such a huge discrepancy has whetted my appetite—what a bargain!

Since the Asian economic turmoil began in mid-1997, I’ve been watching and asking when would be the right time to plunge back into Asian equities. I now believe that time is close at hand. My view of the rally over the past few months is that it’s a bear-market rally, that we will have another bottom, a second bottom, that will tell us that the Asian market is truly ready to march upwards. My long observations of major bear markets tells me there is often a second major leg down, one which tests the prior bottom, and shakes out those who have been suckered into the first rally. I’ve thought this second leg down might be marked by the devaluation of the Chinese currency or some other turmoil in China--say, labor unrest and strikes.

Some years ago the Chinese formed International Trust and Investment Corporations (ITICs), government-backed investment companies, usually one to a province. These raised billions of dollars to develop much-needed Chinese infrastructure: airports, toll roads, seaports, and especially power plants. Their bonds typically paid a high rate, 15% to 18%. However, these trusts made the age-old banker’s mistake, lending long and borrowing short. ITICs were usually owned by the local provincial governments, and sometimes appeared to be guaranteed by the government, just as in the U. S. agency bonds appear to be backed by the full faith and credit of the U. S. Treasury but are not. Investors’ arguments for trusting in such semi-guarantees are that the governments involved would be too embarrassed to let such bonds default.

One of these ITICs was the Guangdong International Trust and Investment Corporation, GITIC, located in one of the most prosperous Chinese provinces. At a creditors’ meeting in January GITIC announced it had $4.3 billion in liabilities and no assets with which to cover these debts, and that it was filing for bankruptcy. The next day the Guangdong authorities announced they weren’t going to meet any obligation they might have had to guarantee the losses. Over the past few months other ITICs have made similar announcements, and the national government has repudiated any responsibility to bail them out. Overseas investment houses, some of whom are insurance companies, have had to reserve massively, sometimes writing off the investment entirely, which will wipe out years of profits earned from China and put a sour taste in their mouths for more Chinese investment.

The way the collapse of GITIC was handled alarmed some of China’s big banks, which have alerted the government that this will damage Chinese credibility abroad and hamper Chinese prospects of raising funds in international markets. They were right enough. Since January international investing in China has backed up.

In fact, much of the early money into China has not been the wisest of money. Iveco, the Italian truck manufacturer, put its first agent in China in 1984. After investing $200 million along the way, it won’t see any profits until 2002, almost 20 years after its agent’s first arrival. Unilever arrived during the 80s, too, and it, too, had to waive its usual investment criteria to justify the millions it spent in China. General Motors and western banks later poured more money into the country, but the gold rush has now come to an end. January and February of this year show a 9.5% decline in foreign direct investment from last year, raising the possibility that in 1999, for the first time in this decade, investment in China from outside may fall. Indeed, Beijing officials are now saying that direct foreign investment may slump to $15 billion from last year’s high of $45 billion.

For a long time there’s been a myth that a global consumer company couldn’t afford not to be in China; but as the losses mount many Western companies’ boards are asking if they can afford to be in China at all. Those who rushed to be "first to the honeypot" have not found that establishing a brand has won them the riches that it earlier promised; in China as in other markets brand loyalty is fluid.

Indeed, several western businesses have pulled out of China recently: the Royal Bank of Canada, Southwestern Bell, Marks & Spencer, and Fosters of Australia. Many new projects have been put on hold. The hype about a market with hundreds of millions of eager consumers has encountered the reality that perhaps only millions want certain western products. Many companies have begun to regard China much as they regard any other country opportunity, as one with risks that might well not pay off. They’ve learnt that not all joint ventures work, and that all too many local partners may not be experienced in industries new to the country.

These pioneers didn’t reckon, either, with the intensity of the local competition, nor with the government’s "buy China" policies for many industries. While China has made repeated promises not to devalue its currency, it’s hard to see how the national government can fail to devalue with all the Asian regional pressures on its value, and that prospect, too, has made foreigners cautious.

Without foreign investment, not as many Chinese jobs will be created, which naturally will have an impact on the Gross National Product. In addition, without a positive attitude toward Chinese investment those in our investment and political circles will lean more toward the containment of China rather than engagement with it. It’s a shame Clinton didn’t make the WTO deal with China on Prime Minister Zhu Rongji’s visit to the U. S., as it would have done much to rebuilt the confidence of the foreign investment community toward China.

While many foreigners who have invested in China may have lost money through ill-conceived investments, you’d never believe it by the bustling economic activity we observed on our cross-China journey. For a long, long time I’ve been enthusiastic about China’s prospects. For many years I’ve urged my friends to teach their children Chinese, as I believe the 21st century will be as much China’s as the 19th century was Britain’s and the 20th century was America’s. For all these years I’ve been waiting patiently for the hibernating dragon to awaken.

Well, here at the end of the century and the beginning of a new millennium the huge dragon—slightly smaller in land mass than the United States but with more than four times our population—has awakened. To prepare for the right moment, which could be as early as this fall, I’m compiling a shopping list of those Chinese companies in which I will invest. I’m leaving off the inefficient holdovers from communist days, those giant labor-intensive companies that will never show a profit and whose going public was only a way of getting them off the government’s hands. As examples, I’m looking at a land company with huge holdings in raw land in the new part of Shanghai, a tire and rubber company, an appliance company, and a glass company. Nothing high-tech here, but well-established companies in basic industries that will meet the emerging Chinese middle-class desire for a better life. Tire and rubber may seem hum-drum to those whose portfolios are filled with Amazon.com and AOL, but when you’ve traveled across the breadth of China today and encountered thousands upon thousands of rubber-tired vehicles—cars, motorcycles, and trucks—the Chinese now employ, you come to believe that rubber mountains of tires will be sold.

My visits to the stock exchange and the brokerages taught me several interesting things. Everybody in the stock-market business here is young, including the president of the stock exchange. This is a new business, one that didn’t exist 10 to 15 years ago, and the people in it are like those in software and the internet in America—no one is over 35. They are full of the get-up and go of youth, too, eagerly accepting challenges and long hours.

I’m not actually buying any stocks yet, simply mapping out my strategy. I’m watching and waiting for the Chinese to work out their two major problems. Their currency is not yet convertible, which will keep foreign investors from plunging in again. Once the currency issue is resolved, the artificial division between the A- and the B-shares—which if it were dissolved today would give Chinese citizens a way of sending money out of the country—should also come to be resolved.

However, the most telling piece of information I’ve learned here is that the government is trying to make the ownership of stock shares more attractive to its citizens. Over the decades of my investing life, I’ve seen it over and over: When a government creates incentives—real incentives—for people to buy stocks, they always go up. It’s particularly exciting when, as here, there’s a high savings rate, and the banks are loaded with cash. The banks have grown cautious recently and won’t lend, so that these savings are trapped in the banks. If China’s citizens are genuinely encouraged to take their money out of the banks and buy equities, the market will soar. This could happen as early as this summer, but it might take until the end of the year for all this to occur. Remember, too, that these are only two small exchanges with no more than 500 stocks---and that the local population is 1.2-billion Chinese!

So, I’m waiting for the Chinese to allow its currency to float against other currencies and for stock-market incentives that are rumored to come to become real. One or both should happen this year.

And how might an American investor take advantage of these opportunities?

An approach I’m exploring is investing in companies domiciled in overseas Chinese communities such as Bangkok, Singapore, Vancouver, etc. that do business in China or with the Chinese. The Chinese consider the overseas Chinese almost the same as themselves, giving those outside the country a leg up on other nationalities. Find a few of these companies in which to invest and the alert investor will have found an entry point into the Chinese market.

How else to invest? In addition to various Asian mutual funds, I’m reminded of what John Templeton did in 1942. The stock market in New York was depressed because of the Great Depression and World War II. With a modest amount of money Templeton bought 100 shares of each of the stocks on the New York Stock Exchange that were selling for less than $1.00. He held on to them for a good long while, and although some of these companies didn’t survive, he had bought the vast bulk so cheaply that he made a fortune.

Today many Chinese B-shares sell on the New York Stock Exchange as ADRs for small sums. A similar strategy might be to buy all these stocks and hold them through thick and thin. In five, ten, fifteen years there’s an excellent chance that this will be one of the best investments an investor will ever make.

18 posted on 10/26/2002 9:22:13 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: staytrue
What percentage of chinese laborer are slaves and what percentage are free ? I know in the US, we have 2 million people incarcerated out of 280 million. Our percentage is about 0.8 percent.

12% of Americans are now convicted felons.Justice Scalia claims a felon is a person who has committed a serious crime worthy of death. We incarcerate less than half of our convicted felons. Our incarceration rate is about 5X higher than Europe's or Pre Drug War America's. Good article on this in last months Economist. I believe China's incarceration rate is lower than Europes.

The Chinese just shoot you in the back of the head. Wouldn't be surprised if they charge you for the bullet.

19 posted on 10/26/2002 9:26:44 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: Enemy Of The State
I have a big problem with China, but it's different from most of the posters here. I would like to focus on a very specific problem: If China is going to replace America as the global engine of growth, it should therefore become a great place for stock investment, alongside great american companies like GE and Microsoft (over the next 30 years that is).

However, this appears not to be the case. I often glance at Chinese stocks, mostly the 30 or so that are traded in the US. A good example is Jinpan International (JST) which makes power transformers and distributors for electical grids in China. I was looking at this earlier in the year when it appeared to be cheap on conventional stock measures (price-to-earnings, etc.). I appears on the face of it to be a no-brainer in terms of potential because China is expected to have a huge demand for power over our lifetimes. However, I was having a difficult time coming up with solid information about this company either from its website or from financials (this is not solely a language problem because I do speak and read some Chinese). Something didn't smell right. Then this past August came the following announcement:

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Jinpan International Limited (AMEX Ticker Symbol 'JST') Announces Resignation of Chief Financial Officer

Updated: Friday, August 16, 2002 10:25 AM ET

HAINAN, China, Aug. 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Jinpan International Limited (Amex: JST, news), a British Virgin Islands corporation listed on the American Stock Exchange (the "Company") announced that on August 15, 2002, Grace Zhu resigned as CFO of the Company.

Jinpan International Limited wishes Ms. Zhu all the success for the future.

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This announcements sets off giant alarm bells ringing in my head. No detail of what has been going on with the company's finances, and no press releases since August.

It's the corruption, stupid!

An analogy I would like to give for China today is fin-de-siecle France in the late 18th Century. A basically rich country heading towards revolutionary turmoil. I know that China is a "been there, done that" country in terms of revolutions, but the corruption even by the government's own admissions there is a gigantic problem.

No matter whether China *in aggregate* becomes powerful economcally (in terms of semiconductors made or steel tons shipped) the surplus of its economy is going to be entirely siphoned off by a parasitic class of communists and criminals (actually one in the same).

Until their regulatory/governmental system is completely revamped I believe that

1) Most stock investors there will have their money stolen from them over time

2) Most foreign direct investors there will have their trade secrets pilfered

Yes, some American companies are making good margins out of China through the global trade system (Wal-Mart, which books the difference from cheap Chinese labor, etc.), but their investments there could come back to haunt them in the long run.

Fasten your seatbelts!

20 posted on 10/26/2002 9:34:08 AM PDT by ReveBM
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