U.S. Postal Employee Testifies for Grand Jury - TV Reporter Disavows Conspiracy

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A U.S. Postal Service employee, who may have seen convicted bomber Timothy McVeigh and another man two days before the Oklahoma City bombing, appeared before the Oklahoma County grand jury Friday.

Raymond M. Klish, 42, a clerk at the post office on NW 5 when the bombing occurred, was expected to testify about an alleged sighting of McVeigh and John Doe 2 in the post office.

Klish worked with Debbie Nakanashi, another postal clerk, who previously testified before the grand jury.

Nakanashi told The Oklahoman a co-worker called her the Sunday after the bombing and jogged her memory of the two men who had come into the post office looking for a federal job.

"He (the co-worker) didn't mention what they looked like or anything like that. It was kind of like a tape running in my head. And as soon as I saw it, I said, `Oh, my God, what are we going to do?' " Nakanashi told The Oklahoman in July.

Klish spent less than an hour with the grand jury that was impaneled June 30 to investigate larger conspiracy theories in the bombing.

Klish refused to answer reporters' questions as he left the Oklahoma County jail where the jury has been meeting in secret.

"No comment. Ya'll have a good morning. OK?" Klish said. Shortly after he left, Jayna Davis, formerly of KFOR-TV, returned to finish her testimony.

The jury has heard from 32 witnesses and is set to reconvene Oct. 6. They are set to meet 13 days in October.

State Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, and the late Glenn Wilburn, who lost two grandsons in the bombing, led the effort to call the grand jury.

Key contends the government had prior knowledge about the bombing and hid the identities of others involved. Key presented the grand jury a list of 39 people he wanted to be called as witnesses.

The grand jury has called most of Key's potential witnesses except for those who have been subpoenaed in the federal trials.

McVeigh, 29, was convicted June 2 of destroying the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building with a single, massive truck bomb on April 19, 1995. He was sentenced to die. The explosion resulted in the deaths of 168 people.

McVeigh's Army buddy, Terry Nichols, 42, is set to go to trial Sept. 29 in Denver.

Grand jurors have been told about John Doe 2 sightings before and after the bombing. The descriptions vary in height, build and complexion. The sightings were in downtown Oklahoma City and Kansas.

On Sept. 9, Nakanashi told the grand jury about seeing McVeigh and John Doe 2 on Monday before the bombing.

She said she picked McVeigh out of a line-up and later spent eight hours with an FBI sketch artist who drew a picture of the man she saw with McVeigh.

Federal prosecutors said the FBI sketch of the dark-haired, muscular suspect actually depicted an innocent Army private and was drawn from information provided by Tom Kessinger, a mechanic at Eldon's Body Shop in Junction City, Kan., where the truck was rented.

Through her attorney, Tim McCoy, former KFOR reporter Davis disavowed some of the bombing conspiracy theories that have been reported.

"She also wants to make it perfectly clear that after her two-year exhaustive investigation, she has turned up no credible evidence that supports the theory that the federal government had sufficient prior warnings to prevent the bombing," McCoy said.

KFOR-TV aired several reports by Davis suggesting an Iraqi busboy then living in Oklahoma City was involved in the Murrah Building bombing. Al Hussaini-Hussain sued Davis and KFOR, accusing the television station of fingering him as John Doe 2, but he dropped the lawsuit earlier this year.

Hussain's attorneys claimed the FBI never considered him a suspect. A FBI agent, speaking at a newspaper publishers conference in 1995, said the KFOR report was untrue. The FBI never officially commented on the broadcasts.

Daily Oklahoman

Judge Refuses To Bar Subpoena Of Ex-Reporter

Ed Godfrey 09/12/1997

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A judge on Thursday refused to quash a subpoena requiring former KFOR-TV reporter Jayna Davis to testify before the Oklahoma County grand jury investigating the Murrah bombing.

In June 1995, Davis aired a report linking an Iraqi then living in Oklahoma City with the bombing. Al-Hussaini Hussain sued KFOR in Oklahoma County District Court, saying the station fingered him as John Doe 2.

Hussain was not named, but attorneys claimed he was identified through "innuendo." Hussain dropped the lawsuit in April.

Davis was subpoenaed to testify today . On Thursday, her attorney, A. Daniel Woska, asked Oklahoma County District Judge Bill Burkett to prevent her from appearing, based on "newsman's privilege" under state law.

Davis claimed her stories involved sources who said they saw "a certain individual either in the company of Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City prior to the bombing, or in other circumstances suggesting he might be John Doe No. 2."

Davis claims those reports were based on confidential sources and information that has never been broadcast.

Davis and the witnesses she spoke with have been threatened as a result of her investigation, Woska told the judge.

Patrick Morgan, the prosecutor advising the grand jury, argued Davis waived her newsman privilege by voluntarily disclosing certain information to law enforcement.

Morgan also said the grand jury should hear about any threats.

"If she has information about who gave these threats, I think the jury has the right to hear that kind of testimony," Morgan said.

Burkett agreed . Woska told the judge that Davis did not know who made the threats.

Davis, who is seven months pregnant, did not appear Thursday because she was ill, Woska said.

Burkett ruled Davis must appear as a witness, but told both sides to attempt to determine in advance what testimony may be privileged. Her testimony is expected to be postponed until next week.

This is how Jayna Davis the prior warning memos in a 6-27-02 interview on the Jim Quinn show:

Jayna Davis;

"I had in my possession prior warning documents that I was given six years ago by the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare which validated all the witness testimony in Oklahoma City..."

"March Third, 1995 the Director of the Congressional Task Force, Mr. Yosseff Bodansky, issued an updated warning stating that the terrorists now plan to strike at, and I am quoting, "the heart of the U.S." Did that mean Oklahoma City? Yes it did. Twelve cities were on the target list because of the radical Islamic groups and terrorist networks operating in those cities. Oklahoma City was definately on the list."

"I am going to quote directly from an intelligence report issued by Yossef Bodansky.'This meant Oklahoma City would have been on the short list of objectives because of the known prominence of local Islamic networks operating within Oklahoma City'."

"Now, when Bodansky issued this prior warning, he didn't do this because he had a little bit of information over a few weeks. He did this after 18 months of intelligence gathering from numerous sources in numerous Middle Eastern countries and they were all coming back with the same information and there was corroborating information coming from terrorist conferences that took place in the Fall of '94 and the Spring of '95 in which Tehran, the captital of Iran, indicated an overriding desire to strike inside the borders of the great Satan..."

Daily Oklahoman

Investigator Testifies For Bomb Grand Jury Diana Baldwin, Judy Kuhlman 09/13/1997

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Larry Dellinger, district attorney investigator, testified Friday before the Oklahoma County grand jury investigating larger conspiracy theories in the Oklahoma City bombing.

Dellinger was testifying for the second time in as many days. He was the 12th and final witness called before the six-man, six-woman panel this week.

District Attorney Bob Macy assigned Dellinger as the investigator for the grand jury, which convened June 30.

He also is responsible for transporting witnesses from the Oklahoma County Office Building to the county jail where the grand jury is meeting behind closed doors.

At least six people have been subpoenaed to appear before the grand jurors next week when they resume work Monday.

First Assistant District Attorney Pat Morgan said the jurors will hear witnesses for at least four days next week.

Morgan said no decision had been made on whether the grand jurors will recess during the upcoming trial of bombing defendant Terry Nichols, 42. His trial begins Sept. 29 in Denver.

Timothy McVeigh, 29, was convicted June 2 and sentenced to die. The April 19, 1995, bombing of the Murrah Building resulted in 168 deaths.

A Herington, Kan., real estate agent is supposed to tell jurors next week about her encounters with Nichols.

Georgia Rucker is the real estate agent who sold Nichols his house in Herington, Kan. She also reported seeing a yellow Ryder truck at Geary Lake between Junction City and Herington.

Nichols was quiet and appeared well dressed and clean-cut when he bought the house the month before the bombing, Rucker told TheOklahoman.

"He was, in fact, the kind of guy you wouldn't mind having next door if you really didn't know him," Rucker said.

Rucker told police when she was stopped at a checkpoint near Geary Lake during the bombing investigation about seeing the Ryder truck the day before the bombing. She said she did not see anyone around the truck.

A former Oklahoma City television reporter who did not want to testify is supposed to meet with the jury next week.

Jayna Davis, formerly with KFOR-TV, aired a report linking an Iraqi man then living in Oklahoma City with the bombing.

An Oklahoma City tire shop employee will tell jurors about two men in a Ryder truck who he said asked him for directions to the Murrah Building minutes before the explosion.

Mike Moroz, 27, told The Oklahoman he will testify next week. Moroz identified one of the men he saw as McVeigh. In 1995, Moroz was considered an important witness.

He was one of four witnesses asked by FBI agents to try to pick McVeigh out of a lineup, and his account of seeing McVeigh was related by an FBI agent at McVeigh's preliminary hearing April 27.

At the time of the bombing, Moroz was the office manager at Johnny's Tire Co. in downtown Oklahoma City. He now works at another Oklahoma City tire shop.

A retired U.S. Army general is expected to tell grand jurors next week that he believes more than one bomb was used to blow up the Murrah Building.

Retired Brig. Gen. Benton K. Partin said he has 25 years' experience in weapons development.

He said the damage to the reinforced concrete superstructure of the Murrah Building could not have occurred unless charges had been attached to the building's columns.

Partin said some columns collapsed that should not have collapsed. And other columns that should not have collapsed disintegrated, he said.

Rep. Charles Key, R-Oklahoma City, and the late Glenn Wilburn, who lost two grandsons in the blast, spearheaded the effort to launch a county grand jury investigation.

Key is conducting his own investigation into the bombing. He earlier presented grand jurors with the names of 35 people he wants to appear before the grand jury.

So far, the grand jurors have heard from 23 other people who believe they saw John Doe 2 or know the government had prior knowledge about the bombing

Prosecutors have dismissed the criminal complaint against John Doe 2 and now say they doubt others were involved in a larger conspiracy.

The government has denied any prior knowledge or cover-up.

Daily Oklahoman

Lawmaker Plans 85 to 90 More Witnesses for Grand Jury - Television Reporter Refuses to Name Sources in Bombing - Investigation

Diana Baldwin, Judy Kuhlman
01/27/1998

State Rep. Charles Key said Monday he has the names of between 85 to 90 more people he wants to testify before the Oklahoma County grand jury investigating a larger conspiracy in the Oklahoma City bombing.

Key, R-Oklahoma City, and his Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee made public 24 names, the first of a three-part list he plans to turn over to the grand jury.

The grand jury has heard from 65 witnesses since the panel convened June 30.

Key presented the grand jury with the names of 39 potential witnesses when he testified July 15. So far, the grand jury has heard from all but nine of those.

On Monday, former KFOR television reporter Jayna Davis and district attorney's investigator Larry Dellinger made return appearances before the grand jury, which is scheduled to hear witnesses throughout the week. They resume work at 9 a.m. today.

Davis, testifying for the third time, said she has refused to name her sources.

She said she presented "hundreds of documents" to District Attorney Bob Macy that detailed her "two-year investigation into the bombing and the identity of" John Doe 2.

Davis said her sources are witnesses who said they saw and talked to John Doe 2.

She spent more than four hours with the jury Monday.

Key and Glenn Wilburn, who lost two grandsons in the bombing, spearheaded a petition drive to call the grand jury because they believe the government had prior knowledge about the April 19, 1995, bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. The truck bomb resulted in 168 deaths.

Wilburn's wife, Kathy, is one of the witnesses Key wants the grand jury to subpoena. The couple interviewed witnesses in Kansas and Oklahoma following the bombing.

The latest list includes at least six people who said they saw the Oklahoma County bomb squad truck near the county or federal courthouse the morning of the bombing.

Several Oklahoma County bomb squad members told The Oklahoman they had not been at the Murrah Building prior to the 9:02 a.m. explosion.

Sgt. Bill Grimsley, supervisor of the county courthouse security and driver of the bomb squad truck, said he drove the bomb truck to the county courthouse to do morning line-up and duty assignments prior to the explosion.

Grimsley, an earlier grand jury witness, said he stopped at the courthouse on his way to the training center for a scheduled training exercise. The county courthouse is about two blocks south of the site of the former federal building.

But Grimsley said he never drove the truck near the federal building.

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