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NEED FREEPER HELP: Time Profile Analysis of the MD/DC/VA SHOOTER(S)

Posted on 10/12/2002 8:44:56 PM PDT by Diogenesis

NEED FREEPER HELP: Time Profile Analysis of the MD/DC/VA SHOOTER(S)

One the hypothesis (Ockam's Razor) that Al Qaeda are the
terrorists, could they be hiding out (and beginning their sorties)
from a mosque?

For data, Prayer Times based on IslamiCity Prayer Times for Washington (DC), USA
Latitude : 35 54 'N' Longitude : 77 2 'W'
Time Zone : -5 H Qibla : 56 50 53 E (From N)
(courtesy of Libwhacker)

This analysis demonstrates that the SHOOTER(S) may be
hiding in Islamic Prayer Mosques. In the first few days,
they left the mosque, but on some days may have returned and rehid therein.


Could some FReeper use the differences in times, and known locations
of mosques to narrow this down to a small number?

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? Exit from 4:19 PM Prayer
Shooting # 1- 5:20PM , WED,10/02/02
Shooting # 2- 6:05PM , WED,10/02/02
6:52 PM Prayer


SECOND DAY
? Exit from 7:05 PM Prayer
Shooting # 3 - 7:41 AM, THURS,10/03/02
Shooting # 4 - 8:12 AM, THURS,10/03/02
Shooting # 5 - 8:37 AM, THURS,10/03/02
Shooting # 6 - 9:58 AM, THURS,10/03/02
12:57 PM Prayer

8:14 PM Prayer
Shooting # 7 - 9:15PM THURS,10/03/02


THIRD DAY
12:57 PM Prayer
Shooting # 8 - 2:30 PM ,FRI, 10/04/02
4:16 PM Prayer


Fourth Day
8:05 PM Prayer
Shooting # 9 - 8:09 AM,MON, 10/07/02
? Returns to 8:05 PM Prayer


Fifth Day
8:08 PM Prayer
Shooting # 10- 8:18PM, WED,10/09/02
? Returns to 8:08 PM Prayer


Sixth Day
? Exit from 8:03 PM Prayer
Shooting # 11 - 9:30 PM ,FRI, 10/11/02




TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: sniper
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1 posted on 10/12/2002 8:44:56 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
New al-Qaida training tape shows another side of terror Captured video reveals plans for home break-ins, killing police, drive-bys, golf course assassinations
2 posted on 10/12/2002 8:50:49 PM PDT by USA21
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To: USA21
Holy Cow! That was the most sobering thing I think I have ever read...especially in the light of what is happening in and around DC with the publication date at World Net Daily of early September.

Wow.
3 posted on 10/12/2002 8:55:48 PM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: KsSunflower
WND publishes dozens, if not hundreds of original articles each month. which one do you mean?
4 posted on 10/12/2002 8:59:35 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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To: Balding_Eagle
Click on the link in post #2...
5 posted on 10/12/2002 9:00:41 PM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: Diogenesis
No No. The shooter is as follows:

White male, meat eating Christian Conservative who listens to Rush Limbaugh

No killing on a Saturday because it is Hunting Season.

No killing on a Sunday because he is a deacon.

No killing on Tuesday (10/08) as he was at an anti-abortion rally and later there was the NRA meeting.

Then, again, it works for terrorist cells too.

6 posted on 10/12/2002 9:01:49 PM PDT by Mike Darancette
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To: Diogenesis; USA21
I was just thinking about the sniper and it being Bin Laden/Saddam terrorists. I wanted to post a opinion questions thread to see what others thought and saw this.

They are on our soil. No other physcho killer has this odd M.O. it HAS TO BE a bin laden terrorist.

7 posted on 10/12/2002 9:04:27 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: Diogenesis
One the hypothesis (Ockam's Razor) that Al Qaeda are the terrorists

Last time I checked, the definition of Ockham's Razor wasn't "Wishful Thinking."

8 posted on 10/12/2002 9:05:06 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Diogenesis
My money is on a plumber or electrician, mostly going to and from work.
9 posted on 10/12/2002 9:05:44 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Diogenesis
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Muslims go to Mosque for all five prayers, EVERY day.

Muslims can pray anywhere; just has to be facing Mecca. They generally congregate and pray in groups at Mosques on Friday, once (note two killings on Friday, however)

No killings on Sunday; I could just as easily claim the sniper is a Fundie Christian with precisely the same amount of evidence you have claiming the shooter is a Muslim.
10 posted on 10/12/2002 9:07:41 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Balding_Eagle
New al-Qaida training tape shows another side of terror
Captured video reveals plans for home break-ins, killing police, drive-bys, golf course assassinations

Posted: September 4, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joseph Farah
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

An al-Qaida training videotape, captured in Afghanistan, shows Osama bin Laden's terrorists are not only planning attacks with weapons of mass destruction but are preparing to kill Americans with drive-by shootings and home break-ins, through ambushes of law-enforcement officers and targeted assassinations on golf courses, WorldNetDaily has learned.

The videotape was produced, U.S. analysts believe, for al-Qaida's internal use and did not appear to be an external propaganda device.

U.S. intelligence considers the tape much more significant in what it reveals about al-Qaida's modus operandi than the highly publicized video purchased and broadcast last month by CNN. U.S. forces found a cache of 64 al-Qaida tapes while combing caves and hideouts in Afghanistan. Analysts were surprised by some of what they saw in the latest video and believe they employ terrorist tactics and techniques meant for export to America and other nations.

"None of these training scenarios depicts the type of fighting that al-Qaida engages in within Afghanistan," noted John Holschen of Insights Training Center, who produced a report on the tape for military and law enforcement officials.

The training video shows al-Qaida operatives practicing the following kinds of assaults:

Analysts point out that all scenarios involving prisoners and hostages ended in execution. None included plans for negotiated settlements for escape by terrorists.

"They plan to kill the prisoners and die in place," wrote Holschen.

The "perfect day" as seen by al-Qaida would combine attacks designed to produce a maximum number of casualties with attacks that would give them the opportunity to get "face time" on the news channels to deliver their rhetoric, explained Holschen.

"The major take-home lesson here is that although the enemy is known to be seeking the ability and opportunity to use weapons of mass destruction and of an unconventional nature, such as hijacked airliners, they are also spending a lot of time training to carry out attacks the old-fashioned way – attacks executed by small groups of dedicated personnel equipped with little more than small arms," explained Holschen.

Hostages, prisoners and anyone else identified as a target or problem by al-Qaida terrorist operatives will be killed, say those who viewed the tape. There is no point in complying with orders, they say. Those who do not resist ultimately will be rewarded with ritual execution in front of television cameras, according to the tactics and techniques captured on this video.

In one scenario on the video, terrorists pretend to be stranded on a six-lane highway, their vehicle disabled. When a police officer stops to assist, the driver blows his horn. Another occupant of the vehicle opens fire on the police officer with a rifle. In other scenarios, shooters were concealed in the trunk of the car. When the terrorists were picked up by accomplices in a getaway car, the original vehicle was blown up, apparently to destroy evidence.

In another scenario, an innocuous-looking terrorist knocks on the door of a residence, standing in view of the resident and answering questions through a closed door. When the resident opens the door, the terrorist immediately draws his weapon and fires, emptying his weapon into the victim.

In the golf course assassination, the target was on the green, near the hole. A rocket-propelled grenade is fired at a vehicle adjacent to the green, perhaps a security detail. Then the target of the assassination is killed with rifle fire.

When asked if these techniques are intended for use in the U.S., one military intelligence operative said without hesitation, "Yes."


If you'd like to sound off on this issue, please take part in the WorldNetDaily poll.

11 posted on 10/12/2002 9:08:41 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
No other physcho killer has this odd M.O. it HAS TO BE a bin laden terrorist.

The only two random long-rifle sniper serial killers I'm aware of previously in the US turned out to be white male gun enthusiasts.

12 posted on 10/12/2002 9:09:22 PM PDT by John H K
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To: John H K
Did you read the link on post #2??

I really hadn't give much credence to the "ME terrorist" theories, but that article, dated September 4th, certainly puts a new spin on the happenings of the last 10 days.
13 posted on 10/12/2002 9:10:07 PM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: USA21
I e-mailed that to a friend, in law enforcement. Thought he should read it. Thanks for the post.
14 posted on 10/12/2002 9:11:02 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Thanks, TaRaRa....
15 posted on 10/12/2002 9:11:07 PM PDT by KsSunflower
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To: USA21; KsSunflower; Balding_Eagle
'Jihad in America': Author explains how he made video, lived to tell about it
16 posted on 10/12/2002 9:12:10 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
Kinda makes you wonder what's in the back of that truck, eh?

Maybe this is another made for TV movie from the Islamist Broadcast Network...

...they shoot a few people, get law enforcement on their tail, ultimately a nice low speed chase into DC...

...they sit in the truck long enough for all the networks and cable outlets to get the live feed from the helicopters on the air, all across the country...

...and just as the cops close in, they hit a button and remove all doubt about whether or not radical Islam has a nuclear device. Live and in color. Right next to the Lincoln Memorial.

Think about it. Might explain why most of the shootings are in broad daylight and during the weekdays.
17 posted on 10/12/2002 9:12:50 PM PDT by timpad
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To: John H K
Usually a serial killer/mass murderer has a set group type/a one time deal thing or reasoning of some sort.These snipers have no reasoning. I believe the tarot card is to throw us off and make a point at the same time. Just like anthrax was not a homegrown sicko I do not believe these snipers are either.
18 posted on 10/12/2002 9:18:31 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: USA21
BUMP...
19 posted on 10/12/2002 9:18:58 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: Diogenesis
ok, lets say you are right, they are hiding in a mosque. How many mosques are there in that area? Cant be that many, it should be easy enough for people to organize and take turns "watching" them for a few days next week, or even set up cameras to do the watching? Of course, that's probably against some law, even though we have to put up with being watched by cameras everywhere we go (and drive) we can't do the same to someone else, I am sure.

It seems probable he will hit again, and if all mosques are being watched at that moment, it will answer the question pretty quickly, that is if he drives into the parking lot with his big white composite truck, otherwise, how would you know if the guy walking into the mosque 20 minutes after a shooting is the guy if he traded vehicles along the way?

...by the way he is obviously checking out shooting sites beforehand, because he has evaded all those security cameras, when just about every square inch of the US has a camera watching it, I find that most amazing. My theory is some dirtbag who likes to secretly video people in hotel rooms/bathrooms will accidentally video this guy and sell the video to the highest paying media outlet (I predict that CNN will pay and then only turn it over to police if they can video Moose's reaction to it.)

20 posted on 10/12/2002 9:23:33 PM PDT by mostlyundecided
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