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Qaida tested chemical weapons in Iraq
Ha'aretz ^ | 9/23/02 | Ze'ev Schiff

Posted on 09/23/2002 8:56:24 AM PDT by truthandlife

A group of Qaida activists conducted experiments with chemical weapons a few months ago in Iraq. The experiments were conducted in northern Kurdish Iraq, in an area controlled de facto by a extremist Islamic group known as Ansar al Islam.

It is doubtful that Saddam Hussein knew in advance about the experiments, but due to Ansar al Islam's close ties to conservative elements in Iran, Iraqi intelligence is making special efforts to penetrate the organization. While Iraqi agents may not have known of the experiments before they took place, they most certainly knew of it after the fact.

Halbaja, the Kurdish town where Saddam Hussein's troops used chemical weapons to kill thousands because he believed they were helping Iran during the war between the two countries, is in the same area where Ansar al Islam maintains de facto control.

It is not known if the experiments a few months ago included tests on living subjects whether human or animal. Until the end of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, Qaida experimented with chemical weapons in Afghanistan. The U.S. assault, however, scattered its experts, who were forced to find refuge in various places.

In addition to the problem of where to conduct their experiments, the organization now faces a problem where to store various chemicals. Qaida's efforts to acquire chemical munitions is part of its plan to surprise several targets and cause as many casualties as possible.

Iraq is perceived by them as a convenient place to work. Saddam's government is not in full control of the entire territory.

In the northern area, defined as Kurdish, Ansar al Islam has taken control over some sections of the territory.

Ansar al Islam is known to have close ties with Qaida, as well as ties with the Iranians who agreed to provide shelter to Qaida operatives, including those responsible for the terrorist attack on the synagogue in Jerba, Tunisia, last April.

Meanwhile, Qaida transferred various chemical materials through Turkey, that were meant for use against American targets in Turkey or were on their way to Chechnya to attack Russian targets.


TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: alqaida; chemicalweapons; iraq; israel
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1 posted on 09/23/2002 8:56:24 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: truthandlife
I see an Taliban link with Saddam here.
2 posted on 09/23/2002 9:02:30 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: truthandlife
It is doubtful that Saddam Hussein knew in advance about the experiments

Doubtful??

3 posted on 09/23/2002 9:03:49 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: vannrox
I see an Taliban link with Saddam here.

FWIW, I agree w/ the article that the Iraqis probably didn't know about this beforehand. From what little I know, the Kurdish areas of Iraq are pretty much lawless, which is the sort of place for which Al Qaeda looks for real estate.

I'm also guessing that Saddam views an Al Qaeda presence as a security threat to him.

4 posted on 09/23/2002 9:09:42 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Oh, I am not quite sure about that. Saddam is not a man who should be trifled with. There are certainly areas of lawlessness in Iraq, but I believe, they exist with his tact approval. For one reason or another. Why would he attack Kwait when he had a much larger area in Iraq that was not under his control? It doesn't make much sense to me. I propose that he has better C-cubed OPS than we give him credit for.
5 posted on 09/23/2002 9:16:12 AM PDT by vannrox
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To: r9etb
Are you serious? You think that it was coincidental that the tests took place in the same region? Where do you think that the chemical weapons came from? Do you think that the Qaeda developed them all by themselves? Do you think that the fact that they were used against Saddam's potential enemies was just a matter of convenience?
6 posted on 09/23/2002 9:20:00 AM PDT by Eva
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To: vannrox
, but I believe, they exist with his tact approval. For one reason or another. Why would he attack Kwait when he had a much larger area in Iraq that was not under his control? It doesn't make much sense to me.

I don't think he can control it. The place sounds like Chechnya, or certain areas of Afghanistan.

The Kurds in Northern Iraq are the same group that Turkey frequently invades Iraq to fight. Turkey has actually established a base in Northern Iraq -- to Saddam's advantage, I'm sure, but it's difficult to see why Saddam would allow such an infringement of sovereignty.

7 posted on 09/23/2002 9:21:26 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Mo1
Doubtful??

I think its called: Plausable Deniability

Although in Sodom's case: plausable is a bit of a stretch.

8 posted on 09/23/2002 9:26:59 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird
That was my thinking
9 posted on 09/23/2002 9:30:42 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: truthandlife
Hmmmmmm... This seems so Clintonesque to me. Perhaps I am just jaded. The bad news can be confirmed and is about to break, therefore the news is leaked/reported ahead of time in such a manner that the initial report distances the principals from the bad news. Note that the blame for the tests conducted in Iraq is placed with Kurdish rebels and Iranians - known enemies of the Iraqi regime. So even though it happened in Iraq, it's not their fault so they can't be blamed or held accountable. I guess I'm just a skeptic, but I think reading between the lines holds more truth than the face of this story.
10 posted on 09/23/2002 9:42:42 AM PDT by BlueNgold
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To: truthandlife
The liberals still want care..They will only care if we are attacked then complain that Bush did nothing about it..
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11 posted on 09/23/2002 9:42:44 AM PDT by newsperson999
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To: r9etb
I don't think he can control it. The place sounds like Chechnya, or certain areas of Afghanistan.

You're RIGHT ON the money here. Saddam gassed the Kurds before 1991 to quell their uprisings. The Norhtern no-fly zone keeps the kurds from being attacked by the Iraqi air force, and the southern no-fly protects the SHiites. On the ground, these rebels are able to hold their own, but if we give back air superiority, Saddam's remaining meager Air Force could pummel them daily.

Saddam /HAD/ control over vast majority of Iraq before he invaded Kuwait. Now he's temporarily in a "lock box" as Algore would say.

12 posted on 09/23/2002 9:43:33 AM PDT by sam_paine
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To: Eva
Where do you think that the chemical weapons came from? Do you think that the Qaeda developed them all by themselves?

We know Saddam has plenty of people under his direct control for development and deployment of chem weapons. So giving powerful weapons to renegade groups that could be used against him doesn't make much sense, even for a psychopath like Saddam!

More likely, they either developed them themselves in a lawless uncontrolled area of Iraq, or they begged borrow or stole them from the Iraqis and Saddam is trying to figure out how they got them, too.

Like someone stole part of Dr. Evil's Laaazer Beam!

You know, we can't account for all of our "research" strains of Anthrax here in this country, but that doesn't mean the US government was complicit in its dispersal.

By your own reasoning, do you think that the Anthrax Mailer developed the powder all by himself? Either he made it himself, or he got it from the government.... So either terror groups can develop WMD like Anthrax on their own, or they can be "gotten" from government stockpiles, even though that may not implicate said government in being complicit in the scheme.

13 posted on 09/23/2002 9:54:05 AM PDT by sam_paine
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To: truthandlife
Ansar al Islam's close ties to conservative elements in Iran

They mean the mad mullahs, not Rushdi al-Limbaugh.

14 posted on 09/23/2002 10:52:27 AM PDT by Argus
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To: Argus
LOL - good one!
15 posted on 09/23/2002 10:53:47 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: truthandlife
Al Qaeda ACTIVISTS??
16 posted on 09/23/2002 11:25:45 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Argus
"They mean the mad mullahs, not Rushdi al-Limbaugh."

LOL...BUMP!

17 posted on 09/23/2002 11:33:14 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: Mo1; truthandlife
It is doubtful that Saddam Hussein knew in advance about the experiments

Yeah right, like anything that big could take place in Iraq without Saddam knowing. The only question is was he there when they performed the tests and was he pleased.

18 posted on 09/23/2002 12:15:28 PM PDT by Mixer
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To: truthandlife
This is VERY interesting. About the only thing that I can believe is true is that chemical weapons were tested in that area recently.

Who helped al-Qaida test isn't all that important, as all sides involved have active chemical weapons programs. In any case, BOTH Iraq and Iran need to go.

19 posted on 09/23/2002 12:35:54 PM PDT by steveegg
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