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B-2s getting hangars on Diego Garcia
United Press International ^ | September 17, 2002

Posted on 09/18/2002 12:41:35 AM PDT by HAL9000

WASHINGTON, Sept. 17 (UPI) -- The Air Force is making arrangements to erect special shelters for B-2 bombers on the British military base on Diego Garcia, an island in the north Indian Ocean, an arrangement that will dramatically increase the utility of the long-range bomber in the event of a war with Iraq, a defense official confirmed Tuesday.

The plan to establish a base for the aircraft on Diego Garcia has been under consideration for the last three years and is not directly tied to possible hostilities with Iraq, the official said.

Nevertheless, having B-2s able to fly from Diego Garcia and return to that base for refueling, crew rest and maintenance will greatly increase the number of bombing runs the $2 billion stealthy aircraft can generate.

"There are a lot of targets appropriate for the B-2 in Iraq, a lot more than in Afghanistan," the official said.

B-2s took part in the opening days in the war in Afghanistan, flying a total of six bombing runs directly from Whiteman AFB, Mo. The round trip took nearly 70 hours, as the planes headed west across the Pacific to avoid having to secure overflight rights over the Middle East. It bombed its targets then preceded to Diego Garcia, where it refueled, crews changed out and the aircraft returned back to Missouri -- without its engines ever being turned off.

"Why would you want to have a 70-hour mission when you could do it from there?" the official said.

The reason it made such a long trip: the B-2 radar absorbing skin requires special humidity and temperature-controlled conditions for repairs. Once the skin is repaired and cured, it can sit outside with no extra protection, Air Force officials told United Press International. That kind of facility does not exist on Diego Garcia.

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. John Jumper refused to comment on the arrangements being made with the British.

"We're treading on operational ground," Jumper said. "But we are on very good terms with the British government and have several agreements with them. The B-2 is obviously fundamental to our concept of operations."

"Any forward basing concept has the effect of being able to multiply the number of sorties," Jumper said.

Two years ago the Air Force awarded American SpaceFrame Fabricators of Crystal River, Fl, a $12 million contract to build four shelters, each of which is 125 feet wide, 250 feet long and 55 feet high. The shelters are supposed to be able to be constructed within one week on a runway, although in one test in June it took more than 30 days to build it, according to service documents. In September it ordered four more upgraded shelters and expects a total buy of 13.

The Air Force selected a Royal Air Force base at Fairford in the United Kingdom; Andersen AFB, Guam; and Diego Garcia to host forward deployed B-2s. Fairford and Diego Garcia need the shelters, as Anderson has adequate hangars in place already.

Copyright © 2002 United Press International



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: b2; britain; diegogarcia; iraq; saddamhussein
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This will reduce the flight distance for Baghdad missions from 6,800 miles to 3,300 miles.
1 posted on 09/18/2002 12:41:35 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000
I wonder how that new Ukranian radar Kuchma sold to Iraq will do against the B-2s.

I still can't believe the Chinese got their hands on an F-117A because of the Bent One.

2 posted on 09/18/2002 1:44:27 AM PDT by BushMeister
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To: HAL9000
This better than having an extra aircraft carrier in the area. Those B-2s can deliver some major ordnance to the target.

The fact that they spent the money for the autoclaves and special hangars needed to service the B-2's composites (and probably most other systems as well) means they're settling in for a long stay. This is a significant, and positive, development!

3 posted on 09/18/2002 1:49:58 AM PDT by Imal
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To: HAL9000
No mention of the fact that each B-2 requires two Marine Corps or Navy EA-6Bs on each mission to protect it from being detected by enemy radar or the fact that each one will still require ~60-80 man hours of maintenance for each flight hour. Such a deal for ~$2 billion a copy. An infrequently flying white elephant, an enormous waste of money and another fleecing of the taxpayer.
4 posted on 09/18/2002 4:49:08 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Imal
This better than having an extra aircraft carrier in the area.

Hardly. A carrier air wing can deliver much more ordnance at a fraction of the cost.

5 posted on 09/18/2002 4:54:13 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Your facts are a little off on this one.
6 posted on 09/18/2002 5:19:34 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: HAL9000
The adjacent island of Alfredo Garcia is being used to build a number of toilet facilities for the servicemen stationed in the area. The commander on Diego Garcia requested that the commander on Alfredo Garcia bring him over one of the new toilets or heads.
7 posted on 09/18/2002 5:42:53 AM PDT by driftless
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To: HAL9000
Damn! No more B-2 flyovers at the KC Chiefs games.
8 posted on 09/18/2002 5:45:14 AM PDT by KS Flyover
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To: BushMeister
I wonder how that new Ukranian radar Kuchma sold to Iraq will do against the B-2s.

Before we give it a HARM salvo, or afterwards?

9 posted on 09/18/2002 5:46:20 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: driftless
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10 posted on 09/18/2002 5:47:14 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Imal
Those B-2s can deliver some major ordnance to the target.

The B-1 can carry more, faster, although not quite as high as the B-2. The B-1 can carry 24 JDAMs compared to 16 for the B-2 and 12 for the B-52. Plus there are about 4 times as many B-1's, so the capability of putting a lot of iron on the target rests with the B-1B's.

11 posted on 09/18/2002 5:53:00 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: Rokke
Your facts are a little off on this one.

I don't think so but instead of just making an accusation and running away how about providing some reputable facts to rebut what I've written about that piece of junk B-2.

12 posted on 09/18/2002 5:57:14 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
I think they are just trying to justify the existence of this flying monstrosity.
13 posted on 09/18/2002 6:05:05 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Where did you get these figures? I wonder ow they stack up to other aircraft.
14 posted on 09/18/2002 6:13:39 AM PDT by TankerKC
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To: KC Burke
Thought you may have an interest in this.
15 posted on 09/18/2002 6:20:20 AM PDT by donozark
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To: donozark
The "Show Me" power is projected across the globe.
16 posted on 09/18/2002 7:21:28 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
You said the following:
"No mention of the fact that each B-2 requires two Marine Corps or Navy EA-6Bs on each mission to protect it from being detected by enemy radar or the fact that each one will still require ~60-80 man hours of maintenance for each flight hour. Such a deal for ~$2 billion a copy. An infrequently flying white elephant, an enormous waste of money and another fleecing of the taxpayer."
and asked me to provide reputable facts to rebut it. Here you go....
1. While the B-2 did use EA-6B support in Kosovo, it was not "required". B-2's were employed in conjunction with other strike aircraft. The B-2's were used to take out the most highly defended targets using JDAM bombs that couldn't be employed by other aircraft operating in the theater. The 6 B-2's used in Kosovo (of only 9 available at the time) flew less than 1% of the total sorties but dropped 11% of the total ordnance with a 98% mission success rate. The large strike packages they were a part of rely on dedicated counter-air, air-defense suppression and jamming aircraft. Would you have prefered all the available NATO aircraft employing over there land before the B-2's entered the theater?
2. The required Maintenance Man Hours per Flight Hour as of 1999 (including Kosovo) is 32.11. Not 60-80.
3. While the total program cost of developing and procurring the B-2 was $44.7 billion, the actual unit cost is $1.157 billion.
17 posted on 09/18/2002 7:35:55 AM PDT by Rokke
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1. While the B-2 did use EA-6B support in Kosovo, it was not "required". B-2's were employed in conjunction with other strike aircraft.

Not true. All B-2 flights over theater in Allied Force following the F-117 shootdown on 27 March 1999 were escorted by two EA-6Bs as a requirement. Prior to that they were not. Every B-2 flight over Afghanistan was escorted by two EA-6Bs. Suggest you read the August 2000 issue of Proceedings, the 26 July 1999, 15 November 1999 and 2 October 2000 issues of Aviation Week. You also might want to speak with the aircrews who were stationed at Aviano who were required to escort B-2s, something which was not in the original OOB.

2. The required Maintenance Man Hours per Flight Hour as of 1999 (including Kosovo) is 32.11. Not 60-80.

As of 2001 the Air Force in testimony before Congress stated that the number was 45.8. However, that figure should be taken with a healthy dose of salt considering the Air Force's track record in telling the truth and their accounting practices. The tech reps at Grumman Northrop, who don't answer to the taxpayer and don't testify before Congress, tell a different story and the ~60-80 hours is more credible. Even if the overly optimistic estimate of 32.11 were true, it still is way too high.

3. While the total program cost of developing and procurring the B-2 was $44.7 billion, the actual unit cost is $1.157 billion.

Again, one has to take your number with a heavy dose of salt. The $2 billion/copy price has more veracity based on the numbers provided by both GAO and Northrop Grumman. Even at the "bargain price" of $1.157 billion a copy, they're a rip off. A plane that costs that much money should be able to deploy anywhere a B-52 or B-1 can, fly in all weather conditions, perform the mission that people claimed it would be able to, possess quick turn around capability, be able to defend itself fighting it's way to and from the target and be equipped with an onboard toilet.

18 posted on 09/19/2002 8:34:48 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
I can't access back issues of Aviation Week, but do the issue's you are referring to really describe a "requirement" for two EA-6B's to escort every B-2 mission? Being very familiar with how EA-6B's are employed, I find it very unlikely they "escorted" any specific aircraft in either Kosovo or Afghanistan. In fact, in the most definitive, unclassified analysis of the Kosovo airwar published by a neutral source, the Rand corporation says the following:
"Supporting EA-6B and F-16CJ pilots were provided with time blocks and rough areas within which the stealthy aircraft would be concurrently operating, but not the exact routing of those aircraft. In the absence of those mission specifics, they relied on time and space deconfliction to maintain safe separation." They add..." Because of their low observability and the persistence of overlapping and unlocated enemy SAM defenses, only the B-2s and F-117s were committed against targets in downtown Belgrade for the first 58 days of the operation."
Here is a website for that report. It is good reading. http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1365/MR1365.ch5.pdf

With regard to man hours per flight hour, you reveal an obvious bias against the Air Force that is artificially coloring your arguments. But that aside, when you compare the B-2 MMHFH to other tactical aircraft your point becomes moot. The F-18 has one of the best maintenance records of any US combat aircraft and still requires about 25 MMHFH. The EA-6B requires over 50 and don't even ask about the F-14. And none of those aircraft have to contend with the LO technology which makes up the bulk of the B-2 maintenance hours. Let's say for the sake of argument your original estimate (60-80) is accurate. Considering a single B-2 can carry the same load as 8 combat configured F-18's, you've actually got a very large net decrease in the number of man hours required per target serviced.

With regard to your cost per unit discussion... I think you've missed the whole point of the B-2 if you are arguing it should be just as deployable as the B-1 and B-52. The fact that it can strike any target in the world, without having to deploy is one of its key strongpoints. In Kosovo it was the only aircraft that was able to drop its weapons on days when entire strike packages were scrubbed due to weather. Its 98% mission capable rate produced a 96% mission success rate which was far and away better than any other aircraft flown in Kosovo. It proved a much more flexible weapon than the rather cumbersome carrier battle group it is often compared to. The Roosevelt carrier battle group wasn't even able to make it until 2 weeks after the air war in Kosovo kicked off (which partially explains the small role the Navy played in the total operation). Furthermore, when you add up the total cost of a carrier battle group, the B-2 ends up looking CHEAP. Take a carrier, its embarked wing, all the escort and supply ships and required logistics, and compare that to a single base in Missouri that can reach out and touch anywhere in the world in less than 24 hours.

19 posted on 09/19/2002 3:11:28 PM PDT by Rokke
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To: Rokke
Confused re:your last para (post 19). You state the B-2 "...can strike any target in the world without having to deploy..." Didn't the B-52 do this throughout the entire Cold War (after it's introduction in late 50s of course)? That is, take off from Offut AFB and head toward USSR, and return to Offut as B-2 returns to Whiteman AFB?

Anyway, the B-2 is an awesome aircraft...

20 posted on 09/30/2002 10:57:19 AM PDT by donozark
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