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Spoof site no joke for eBay
CNET News.com ^ | September 6, 2002 | Troy Wolverton

Posted on 09/06/2002 11:27:44 PM PDT by ledzep75

Spoof site no joke for eBay

A parody Web site called "eGray," which takes aim at California gubernatorial incumbent Gray Davis, has drawn the attention of auction giant eBay--and its lawyers.

"Our attorneys will determine what the appropriate step will be," spokesman Kevin Pursglove said Friday.

The creators of the site--members of Republican candidate Bill Simon's campaign--say they plan to keep eGray.org up and running. The site closely matches eBay's look and feel, but lists "California laws for sale," and accuses Davis of pushing legislation backed by special interest groups who donated to his campaign.

"Want to get rid of the pay-for-play governor? Click here to donate to Simon for Governor," the site reads. Davis campaign representatives did not return calls seeking comment.

The Simon campaign launched the site last week as a political parody, spokesman Mark Miner said. He said they haven't heard from eBay about the site. A disclaimer on the site says it's unaffiliated with eBay.

"This is based on Gray Davis and his administration and no one else," Miner said.

But eBay has long been protective of its distinctive trademark.

"In the past we've taken similar steps when individuals or companies that have attempted to operate trading sites that we believe could dilute or infringe on eBay's intellectual properties," Pursglove said. "The most well known is probably BidBay, but we've also had communication with other sites that attempt to play off the eBay trademark or logo."

Last month, the company sent a letter to gay auction site AlternaBay, accusing the site of infringing its intellectual property. The two sides are still talking about how to resolve the issue, AlternaBay founder Ronnie Rodriguez said Friday. Earlier this year, Lego-trading site Brickbay.com changed its name after receiving a similar request from eBay.

Last year, eBay sued rival site BidBay, accusing it of trademark infringement. The two companies settled in February with BidBay agreeing to change its name to AuctionDiner.com.

"Our track record is pretty solid that we will take actions if necessary," Pursglove said. Despite its success with commercial sites, eBay may have more trouble with eGray since political speech is usually afforded much more protection than commercial speech, experts say.

In 2000, presidential candidate Ralph Nader parodied MasterCard's "priceless" campaign, noted Neil Smith, an intellectual property attorney in San Francisco with Howard Rice. Although MasterCard sued Nader's campaign, the court denied the company's motion for a preliminary injunction against the ads, Smith said. Any challenge eBay makes against eGray is likely to meet the same fate, he said.

"This type of parody use is difficult to stop under the law," Smith said.

Most federal judges are likely to come down on the side of the First Amendment protections on political speech in a case such as this, said Carl Oppedahl, an intellectual property lawyer with Dillon, Colo.-based Oppedahl & Larson. eBay might as well take it with a sense of humor, he said.

"In a way, eBay might find this flattering that they've become the recognized way of making this political point," he said.


TOPICS: Extended News; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; ebay; egray; graydavis
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1 posted on 09/06/2002 11:27:44 PM PDT by ledzep75
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To: ledzep75
I didn't see the driver's licenses for illegal aliens up for sale. I guess they must be free as long as you and all of your dead relatives vote for Gray-Out for Gov in November?
2 posted on 09/06/2002 11:40:08 PM PDT by gorebegone
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To: ledzep75
BrickBay, a site dedicated solely to the buying and selling of individual (yes, individual) LEGO bricks and LEGO sets recently had to change its name to BrickLink, because eBay bullied it into submission.

So yes, eBay goes after everyone.

However, a eGray.org, I was able to find a good deal on several used sodomy laws, tickets to Hairspray on Broadway, and an old hairbrush.

3 posted on 09/06/2002 11:47:20 PM PDT by paulklenk
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To: ledzep75
Didn't the dykes that run ebay give big money to some gay group....someone must remember this...
4 posted on 09/06/2002 11:52:45 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: ledzep75
They have every right to go after the other auction sites that are clearly trying to falsely associate themselves with eBay, but parodies have wide latitude in the US. Unless eGrey is actually running real auctions on stuff, I can't see how eBay could ever win this suit.
5 posted on 09/06/2002 11:57:36 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: ledzep75
Hey, where's the beef?
6 posted on 09/06/2002 11:59:13 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: ledzep75
KOOL...the more ebay huffs and puffs, the more people will go to the site.

GET IT ON eBAY!

7 posted on 09/06/2002 11:59:50 PM PDT by Drango
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8 posted on 09/07/2002 12:10:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: ledzep75
eBay cannot and will not win this suit. Parody is protected and does not violate trademark or copyright. This site is not running a real business and is not trying to sell anything. A person COULD NOT get confused and buy something from eGray thinking it was eBay because nothing there is really for sale. Plus it is political speech and the courts aren't going to touch that one unless they go liberal activist hunting and even they are unlikely to shut down a political parody.

eBay knows all this, they know that parody is protected. They have good lawyers. The only reason for doing this that I can think of would be to distract the Simon campaign and get it spending its money on lawyers. Hmmmmmmm.
9 posted on 09/07/2002 1:08:55 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Arkinsaw
I agree, eBay's lawsuit is going nowhere.
10 posted on 09/07/2002 2:20:39 AM PDT by DB
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To: ledzep75
I am so sick of these Intellectual Property claims ; so now nobody can use the word "bay" ,this is stupid.
11 posted on 09/07/2002 5:41:07 AM PDT by hoosierham
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To: ledzep75
hahahahaha this site is a hoot!
12 posted on 09/07/2002 5:58:13 AM PDT by JavaTheHutt
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To: hoosierham
I am so sick of these Intellectual Property claims ; so now nobody can use the word "bay" ,this is stupid.

Several years ago a gardening/landscaping supply company on Cape Cod had to change its name. It had been called Better Stones and Gardens. You can imagine who sued.

13 posted on 09/07/2002 6:05:10 AM PDT by jackbill
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To: ledzep75
This has taken much longer to materialize than normal. I wonder if the brass at Ebay agrees with Simon on the disdain for Doofus...
14 posted on 09/07/2002 6:09:34 AM PDT by tubebender
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To: hoosierham
" so now nobody can use the word "bay" ,this is stupid. "

Old Bay has first dibs. /sarcasm

15 posted on 09/07/2002 6:11:02 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: hoosierham
I am so sick of these Intellectual Property claims ; so now nobody can use the word "bay" ,this is stupid.

My guess is that the claim is not so much on the word bay but on the similarity of the logo. Here they are side by side:


16 posted on 09/07/2002 6:19:01 AM PDT by Utopia
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To: Arkinsaw
So next they'll try to ban Pig-Latin.

Oof-Bay Goof-bray.
17 posted on 09/07/2002 6:52:44 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: ledzep75
Most federal judges are likely to come down on the side of the First Amendment protections on political speech in a case such as this, said Carl Oppedahl, an intellectual property lawyer with Dillon, Colo.-based Oppedahl & Larson. eBay might as well take it with a sense of humor, he said.

The difference between egray and the sites ebay stopped were the other sites were actually auction sites for items, and egray doesn't sell anything. They won't be able to take it down, IMHO.

18 posted on 09/07/2002 7:23:09 AM PDT by Gophack
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To: Drango

KOOL...the more ebay huffs and puffs, the more people will go to the site.

GET IT ON eBAY!

See also THiS story, from Yahoo! News:
EBay Weighing Legal Options on Site
Fri Sep 6, 7:23 AM ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) - The popular auction site eBay is considering legal action against a parody Web site that lampoons Gov. Gray Davis ( news - web sites) and is produced by his opponent's campaign.

Campaign workers for Republican Bill Simon said they plan to keep the Web site, called E-Gray, online.

By purporting to sell favors from Davis, the site is meant to illustrate one of Simon's principal accusations against the Democratic incumbent: that he runs a "pay-to-play" administration that favors those who make large political contributions.

"We think there are numerous differences, one of them being eBay clearly sells products to the public, while Gray Davis clearly sells public policy," said Simon press secretary Mark Miner. "The only similarities there are is they're both sold to the highest bidder. We stand by the Web site."

But with its logo and color scheme, E-Gray is clearly meant to mimic eBay.

"Obviously it has the look and feel of eBay without our permission," said company spokesman Chris Donlay. "Whenever we see a situation like that we always take a good hard look at it.

Davis campaign's press secretary, Roger Salazar, said Simon already has other court cases pending: "I'm not sure they want another."

Simon is scheduled to testify Nov. 8 in the trial of a lawsuit in which he and other investors accuse the government of improperly seizing a savings and loan and costing them millions of dollars.

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On the Net:

http://www.e-gray.com

http://www.ebay.com


19 posted on 09/07/2002 7:23:44 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: ledzep75; AmusedObserver; chnsmok; Ritwngr; ElkGroveDan; sfwarrior; Lady In Blue
This thread is an EXCELLENT follow-up of the EARLIER threads about eGray, posted here as the story developed:
EGray.org - California Government at bargain basement prices!
      Posted by Ritwngr
On Aug 31 4:43 AM with 6 comments


Krempasky.com ^ | Gray Davis
     
 
egray.org
      Posted by chnsmok
On Aug 31 0:45 AM with 8 comments


krla870.com ^ | Today | http://www.egray.org
     
 
eGray.org - government favors at auction prices
      Posted by AmusedObserver
On Aug 30 10:38 PM with 35 comments


egray.org ^

and

E-Gray:Government Favors At Auction Prices - Gray Davis
      Posted by Lady In Blue
On Sep 6 7:33 AM with 8 comments


Simon For Governor.Com ^ | September 5, 2002 | Staff
     
 
Simon's Delighted but Mum's the Word on E-Gray.com
      Posted by sfwarrior
On Sep 6 7:22 AM with 5 comments


www.chronwatch.com ^ | 09/05/02 | Adam Sparks
     
 
SIMON CAMPAIGN ANNOUNCES E-GRAY.ORG WEB SITE
      Posted by ElkGroveDan
On Sep 5 0:16 AM with 33 comments


Simon For Governor Web Site ^ | 9/4/2002 | Simon for Governor

20 posted on 09/07/2002 7:34:11 AM PDT by RonDog
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