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Britain blames US for failing world's poor
The Times (U.K.) ^ | 08/26/2002 | Anthony Browne

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:20:23 PM PDT by Pokey78

UN says failure at Earth Summit would fuel global terrorism

Deep tensions between Britain and the US have emerged ahead of the Earth Summit in Johannesburg, which remains shrouded in pessimism ahead of its official start today.

The summit is aimed at reducing world poverty through promoting environmentally sustainable growth, and although it is seen as the most important world summit for years, there are growing concerns that virtually nothing significant will be achieved.

As the gloom deepened in the corridors, it seems many delegates are staying away. Although 65,000 delegates had been predictected to turn up, the UN has downgraded its expectations to just 40,000, and by yesterday only 9,000 delegates and journalists had been accredited.

Last night it also emerged that inspite of the extra 8,000 police on duty, that a shot had been fired at a Swiss delegate in an attempted robbery in a hotel. It followed the earlier robbery on Saturday night of another delegate in a nearby room.

The UK has backed calls from developing countries for targets to reduce the number of people who don’t have access to drinking water, sanitation or electricity. The UN has warned that unless real progress is made, the world will be increasingly divided between haves and have nots, fuelling global terrorism.

However, the US yesterday made clear that it does not want any new targets and will not provide any new money to reduce poverty or help protect the environment. The head of the US delegation John Turner said yesterday: “We don’t see the need for any new targets.”

Although 100 world leaders have said they will attend the summit, President Bush has said he will not attend. The head of the British delegation, the Environment Secretary Margaret Beckett, yesterday showed growing frustration with American intransigence, which could derail the summit. She said: “It’s true that the American government is not doing as much as we would all like to see it do, but that’s doesn’t mean there aren’t lots of people in America who take these issues just as seriously as they deserve”.

“We very much want to see targets on issues like sanitation. We hope to pursuade our American friends to agree to some of the targets” she added.

After a year of talks, no agreement has been reached on more than a quarter of the negotiating text, and there is concern that positions are now so entrenched that it will be impossible to reach any meaningful agreement in the ten days of the summit. One UN official warned that failure to resvolve outstanding issues could render the summit useless, and said they were not optimistic about progress.

“We hope to make some headway by the start of the summit. So far, what we forsee is a complete disaster” he said.

South Africa’s deputy foreign minister Aziz Pahad, insisted that while he was confident that common ground could be reached, “it would be romantic to assume that there would be absolute consensus at such a large-diverse conference.”

Tony Juniper, director-designate of Friends of the Earth, said that there was now little chance of the summit achieving anything significant. “I think it’s looking like we’re going to get a pretty modest set of outcomes. It’s clear that we’re going to get no legally binding targets” he said. Friends of the Earth has been very critical of Tony Blair’s decision to attend the summit for just one day.

Mr Blair also came under attack from his most senior environment adviser, Jonathan Porritt, who said he didn’t give environmental issues the priority they deserve. Yesterday Mrs Beckett defended the Prime Minister, saying he had been fully involved in the summit. “The idea that all he brings to the summit is the time he spends here is crazy. He’s been working on it for 18 months - he’s been engaged and involved in it all the way through” she said.

Mrs Beckett also insisted that it would be a disaster if the delegates let the growing row with Zimbabwe’s President, Robert Mugabe, to overshadow the summit. Mr Blair had been facing calls to boycott a speach by Mr Mugabe, who will be attending the summit at the same time as Mr Blair. “The most important and crucial thing is to make sure the summit is not dominated by the issue of Robert Mugabe. There is nothing President Mugabe would like better than to think a whole world summit has been hijacked by his behaviour and his concerns” said Mrs Beckett.

The start of the summit has already been overshadowed by the highly televised clash between protestors and police in the centre of Johannesbug. Activists claimed that police, who fired stun grenades at a candle-lit demonstration which included children, were being heavy handed. However, Johannesburg’s Police Director Happy Schutter defended their action, saying that the marchers had not obtained permission. “We had to show them we wouldn’t let this happen during the summit. If they want to march they must get permission” he said.

The South African government has been worried that the summit could be as disrupted by protests as earlier summits such as Genoa, and have drafted in tens of thousands of police from surrounding areas. The Sandton City shopping and hotel complex has been cordoned off to outsiders, with incredibly tight security both surrounding it and inside. The organisers have been worried about actions by terrorists since this is the first meeting of world leaders since September 11th, and is taking place just before the anniversary of the attack on the US.


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To: Pokey78
Every crime-ridden city should - like Johannesburg - have a Police chief named Happy Shutter.
21 posted on 08/25/2002 7:01:32 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: USA21
UN want a tax on America

I prefer American attacks on the UN.

22 posted on 08/25/2002 7:13:18 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Pokey78
I suppose there is no correlation between the type of govt. these poor countries have and their poverty level?
23 posted on 08/25/2002 7:18:43 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: jackbill
Seems to me that for the cost of this fiasco they could feed a lot of hungry Africans

So true - I sit in meetings sometimes and add up all the hourly rates of the attendees. Often, I think that money would be better spent on actually fixing the problem than talking about it!

24 posted on 08/25/2002 7:25:23 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Pokey78
Britain to U.S.: "C'mon you blokes, give us some more money, you still haven't reimbursed us for the cost of the Revolutionary War!"
25 posted on 08/25/2002 7:27:54 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: Pokey78
Once again I point out that a Democrat president--any Democrat president--would have had representatives there with bells on.
26 posted on 08/25/2002 7:35:47 PM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: moteineye
Exactly...

Got Representative Democracy?

27 posted on 08/25/2002 7:39:21 PM PDT by Axenolith
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To: Pokey78
From: A World Free of Wealth

Actually, if they want to help the poor, Bank officials should focus less on "inclusion" and more on freedom - because that's the real antidote to poverty. This is confirmed by the "Index of Economic Freedom," published annually by The Wall Street Journal and The Heritage Foundation. This guidebook ranks nations by how economically free they are. It consistently shows that people who live in countries with the fewest economic restraints are wealthier than those in economically repressed countries.

Take Haiti and the Dominican Republic, two developing countries with a common border. The 2001 Index shows that of the 155 countries graded, Haiti ranks 137th, while the Dominican Republic is 59th. So what? Well, the answer to that question is this: Thanks to a more market-oriented economy that features low tax rates, Dominicans earn nearly five times as much as Haitians: an average of $1,799, compared to Haiti's $370.

Examples like these abound. So why the Bank's misdiagnosis? Partly because of what it sees in the former Soviet Union. We've poured billions into many of these countries, and they're worse off today than under Soviet rule, Bank officials say. So capitalism obviously doesn't work.

But as the United States and other democracies have shown, capitalism isn't just the absence of socialist-style economics.

The reason should be clear: All the loans in the world are no substitute for economic reform - for freedom. Countries that want to be rich don't need charity; they need to unshackle their people's economic potential. Perhaps then the Bank can adopt a new slogan: "Our Dream is a World That's Really Rich."

28 posted on 08/25/2002 7:43:56 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: pray4liberty
Britain to U.S.: "C'mon you blokes, give us some more money, you still haven't reimbursed us for the cost of the Revolutionary War!"


I think the united states paid their war debt(s) off with WWI and WWII.

Lafayette, We are Here!


29 posted on 08/25/2002 7:52:07 PM PDT by bok
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To: pactolusghost
How bout install capitalism in those crappy countries and maybe something will get done.

Hehehe. That's the best advice I've heard all evening.

30 posted on 08/25/2002 7:57:05 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: Pokey78
Why not a chicken in every pot and a Mercedes in every garage? What exactly is the Earth Summit anyway? And whatever it decides the goal is, how does it round up the money? I am not sure just why foreign aid has to be multinational anyway. That sounds like just another level of beaurocracy to me. What's wrong with letting each nation which actually has some bucks spend it on those projects that it deems worthy?
31 posted on 08/25/2002 7:57:23 PM PDT by Torie
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To: bok
U.S. to Britain: "[expletive deleted] off!"
32 posted on 08/25/2002 7:58:41 PM PDT by pray4liberty
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To: Pokey78
Why in the world should we help third world countries who hate us? Everyone knows that you can't buy love.

Maybe we should cut all aid to countries who side with the terrorists, or whose Muslim citizens consider us the enemy, instead of Iraq.
33 posted on 08/25/2002 9:01:26 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Vidalia
Cute for a country that just LOVED Imperialism...

Yeah. There are LOT of Britons who reminisce about the old days of the empire.

34 posted on 08/25/2002 9:07:37 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: Pokey78
Britain and the rest of the world are blaming the US for failing the world's poor. Tensions are emerging between those who want our money (Britain and most of the world) and the US even before the latest Earth Summit (which is meant to blame the USA and Israel for everything, as well as, take as much money from us as possible) in Johannesburg. See August 26th London Times.

Hmmm, now how many colonies did the USA have around the world? How many people did we enslave in Africa, Asia, and the rest of the world? Didn't the British Empire empirically control 1/3 of the world, what about France, Holland, Germany, Italy, Spain etc… Yet the world is blaming the USA because the world is poor. .

Let those wonderful nations that put these people in poverty, used their cheap labor, and stole their minerals pay for the mess they created.

THE USA IS NOT TO BLAME. Perhaps Europe should look









themselves in the mirror for most of the problems of the world. The third world is also to blame for their problems. They often created their mess through their corrupted leaders. The USA has no share in the blame, and we should refuse to accept any guilt. Perhaps the rest of the world should learn to fix their problems, instead
of using the USA, Christians, Jews or Israel as whipping boys to blame all their own failings on.


35 posted on 08/25/2002 9:10:16 PM PDT by GaryMontana
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To: Pokey78
Hey Queen!!


36 posted on 08/25/2002 9:23:16 PM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: GaryMontana
you beat me to it.... bump...
37 posted on 08/25/2002 9:37:49 PM PDT by ARA
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To: Vidalia
Really. How did that phrase go "The sun never sets on the BRITISH Empire". Just like the liberal thieves in this country, going after the only wallet left in town with a couple bucks in it. George I best line "Watch your wallet".
38 posted on 08/25/2002 9:45:59 PM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: Axenolith
Well, it is just a scam.The public will buy it because of how the media will portray the evil United States. The money we send ends up in the hands of the dictators.The leaders of these countries won't share the wealth.Saddam has just built some 30 odd new palaces,the Saudi's are extremely wealthy,yet look at the poor in their country.We have given more money to the Palestinians than the Saudi's have given. Many times we have sent hugh amounts of food to Africa which has rotted in port because it is not allowed to be delivered to the starving or will go to the armies of the dictators .The problem is the leaders of these countries but you will never here it on our tv,or in the press in Europe or anywhere else.These leaders and the UN want our money,period.
39 posted on 08/25/2002 9:47:00 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: Pokey78
The world's poor should exercise a little self-control and stop having children they cannot take care of.
40 posted on 08/25/2002 9:48:46 PM PDT by dougherty
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