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Off-duty officer shoots at teens 'TP wrapping' house
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Posted on 08/21/2002 11:42:02 AM PDT by chance33_98



Off-duty officer shoots at teens 'TP wrapping' house

A tree, toilet paper and teens -- a common prank or an act of vandalism? By Mark Garay ABC13 Eyewitness News (8/20/02) — A veteran police officer of more than 20 years is under investigation. It comes after allegations that he shot at Texas City high school students. The incident happened Saturday night at the officer's home in the 2500 block of Eighth Avenue North in Texas City. The students were reportedly taking part in an annual tradition of wrapping certain people's homes in toilet paper.

It's called wrapping. It's a long-standing tradition among upper classmen with the Texas City high school band, in which they basically wrap the homes of freshmen in toilet paper.

Last Saturday, an off-duty Galveston police officer who lives in Texas City shot at a group of teens who were apparently doing just that. Now the Texas City Police Department is investigating.

When Nicolas Rac walked outside of his home around 2am Saturday, he noticed that someone had wrapped his house. But when his daughter, a junior band member, told him that she didn't think it was a prank, he grabbed his 12-gauge shotgun.

"So when they came back, he was proceeding with the information that he had that they were back to do more damage," explained Rac's attorney Greg Cagle.

Five teenagers in two cars returned to snap pictures, apparently, of the toilet-papered trees, and the shaving-creamed sidewalk. When Rac appeared with his shotgun, the kids returned to their vehicles.

"The kid then turns the headlights on, turns the high beams on, puts it in drive and drives directly at him. That's when he fired the gun," said Cagle.

No was hurt, but the fleeing truck was shot twice. The incident has now been referred to a Galveston grand jury, and Rac could face a third-degree felony charge of deadly conduct.

"What did the off-duty officer do?" asked Galveston County District Attorny Mike Guarino. "What was going through his mind? Why did he bring a weapon out there? And was he justified in displaying the weapon? Was he justified in firing the weapon?"

Was it a misunderstood prank, or a malicious act of vandalism? Texas City police are preparing evidence for the grand jury.

"We're preparing diagrams of the scene, getting our pictures ready," Texas City PD Sgt. Brian Goetschius told Eyewitness News.

Meantime, Texas City school officials know about wrapping, but they say they don't condone it. Wrapping incidents, they say, are parent-supervised, and the families of targeted houses know that it's coming.

"These were kids who went back to a home at two in the morning, without any criminal involvement, without anyone knowing," Texas City School District spokesman Stephen Hadley said.

As it stands, the local school district is going to be working with the mayor's office to try and figure out ways in the future to possibly dissuade students from doing wrapping.

One critical question in this case -- did the officer really indeed feel that his life was in danger? And did that car really come at him? Or was this just a prank and was that truck trying to flee? That's one question the grand jury's going to have to decide, and they should get this case in the next several weeks.


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1 posted on 08/21/2002 11:42:02 AM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
In Texas it was once an honor to have your home TPed when you were in high school. My daughters took part in TPing the homes of football players and others many times over the years. It was like a spirit thing. Our home was TPed a few times too. The worst part is the clean up....especially if it rained. I never saw anything particularly harmful in the activity but I'm not a member of the current thought system in today's world...so what do I know?
2 posted on 08/21/2002 12:05:15 PM PDT by FryingPan101
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To: FryingPan101
It sounds like it wasn't the rolling of the house (that's what we called it in Michigan) that instigated the shooting, it was the kids putting on their high beams and driving directly at someone holding a shotgun. Not a very bright idea, under any circumstances.
3 posted on 08/21/2002 12:07:34 PM PDT by mvpel
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To: FryingPan101
I can hear the parent's now years down the road - 'Now don't you go TP'ing anyone's house this year, your third cousin removed was shot while doing that! Lost both his legs and went insane!' Ahhh I remember plenty of stories about uncle bob's and cousin fred's :)
4 posted on 08/21/2002 12:08:37 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
It's not like they were covering the houses with bombs and machettes. It's toilet paper for goodness sake. It's even biodegradable so envirementalists can't complain.
5 posted on 08/21/2002 12:09:31 PM PDT by GodsLittleOne
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To: xsysmgr; *bang_list; Ajnin; Joe Brower; Badray; chuknospam; Concentrate; GeorgeWBiscuit
I can hear the liberals now - Guns should be kept out of neighborhoods where children might live or come through...
6 posted on 08/21/2002 12:10:45 PM PDT by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Another post (yesterday) had this story, though it was lacking details contained in this post.

I think the key point for the case is the fact that the car was hit by gunfire. Was the car hit in the front (supporting the claim that the car was somehow running down the officer) or was it hit in the back (in which case the officer probably stepped outside the bounds of Texas law)?

Perhaps someone could post a link for those of us HTML-challenged?

7 posted on 08/21/2002 12:12:29 PM PDT by Fudd
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To: Fudd
An earlier story and subsequent follow-up reports, plus a response thread with in excess of 100 posts can be seen here.

There are additional details regarding the circumstances reported and discussed there, and there's a ping list for those with a continuing interest in this story who would care to be added to it.

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8 posted on 08/21/2002 12:30:49 PM PDT by archy
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To: Fudd
Was the car hit in the front (supporting the claim that the car was somehow running down the officer) or was it hit in the back (in which case the officer probably stepped outside the bounds of Texas law)?

The vehicle was struck in two places by shotgun fire: in the front grill/radiator and in one tire.

That suggests a single headon shot followed by one at the tire from the side as the vehicle passed by the shooter. Buckshot spreads at approximately one inch per yard of distance to target, depending on choke, shot load and other factors, making it probable the shot at the tire was from within 15 yards or so if buckshot was used, less with birdshot. A solid slug *might* also have been used, which would certainly have deflated a tire if struck, but offering a serious marksmanship challenge.

We may hear more as the grand jury meets and issues their report.

-archy-/-

9 posted on 08/21/2002 12:36:28 PM PDT by archy
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To: chance33_98
I can hear the liberals now - Guns should be kept out of neighborhoods where children might live or come through...

These selfsame liberals tend to cotton to the notion that guns in the hands of "authorities" (i.e.: the shooter in this case) are somehow magically blessed by the devine powers of the almighty state, and are thusly OK.

It's always fun to point out this dichotomy to them and watch their hollow heads implode.


10 posted on 08/21/2002 12:39:42 PM PDT by Joe Brower
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To: chance33_98
"Off-duty officer shoots at teens 'TP wrapping' house"

Bet those TEENS wished they kept a few rolls for themselves after hearing that Shotgun Blast Twice, and hearing the rounds thunk into their truck!!!

11 posted on 08/21/2002 12:58:40 PM PDT by Dacus943
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To: GodsLittleOne
It's not like they were covering the houses with bombs and machettes. It's toilet paper for goodness sake. It's even biodegradable so envirementalists can't complain.

Trees are biodegradable, environmentalists are always complaining about trees.

Its the use of the vehicle driving towards the off-duty officer. You do not drive towards a person, even if you are trying to scare him, and not expect to be shot at.

12 posted on 08/21/2002 1:14:57 PM PDT by Frohickey
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To: chance33_98
My girlfriend's dad is a cop. One halloween he had a bit too much to drink, then handed his daughters a stack of TP and told them to go TP someone's house. That went ok, but some of his fellow officers were called later on when he decided to shoot the palm tree in his front yard.
13 posted on 08/21/2002 2:09:28 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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To: Joe Brower
These selfsame liberals tend to cotton to the notion that guns in the hands of "authorities" (i.e.: the shooter in this case) are somehow magically blessed by the devine powers of the almighty state, and are thusly OK.

It's always fun to point out this dichotomy to them and watch their hollow heads implode.

There goes one now!


14 posted on 08/21/2002 5:06:00 PM PDT by archy
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To: Britton J Wingfield
My girlfriend's dad is a cop.

I've been there. Be very carefull. They are even crazyer then most.

I hope you don't live in dads baliwick. Though he sounds like a good guy to me. (I give out TP to the older kids on halloween)

15 posted on 08/21/2002 5:13:24 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: archy

I gotta hand it to ya, archy, you have the most incredible collection of sources for all those pics you post. That, or a heckuva lot of time to go looking for those choice tidbits. Or both!

16 posted on 08/22/2002 5:22:06 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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I gotta hand it to ya, archy, you have the most incredible collection of sources for all those pics you post. That, or a heckuva lot of time to go looking for those choice tidbits. Or both!

I've been a news photographer and photo editor, so have a middlin good index to many, and know where others can be found. But I get an awful lot in e-mails and from other sources, which I promptly bookmark or download.

That one was a fairly recent acquisition, which I was going to pass along to a varmint hunting pal, captioned, this is your brain on hollowpoints....

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17 posted on 08/22/2002 8:48:40 AM PDT by archy
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To: chance33_98
Pretty innocent picture there.. Doesn't show the garbage on the porch or the obscienities written on the drive way.

If anyone want to compare responses check out this thread.

FYO

19 posted on 08/24/2002 8:31:24 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: chance33_98
Pretty innocent picture there.. Doesn't show the garbage on the porch or the obscienities written on the drive way.

If anyone want to compare responses check out this thread.

FYI

Supposed to have been FYI

20 posted on 08/24/2002 8:33:00 AM PDT by Texas Mom
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