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Environmentalists Sue Navy in San Francisco
Associated Press ^ | Wednesday, August 07, 2002 | COLLEEN VALLES

Posted on 08/07/2002 4:16:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone

SAN FRANCISCO (>AP) -- Environmental groups filed suit Wednesday to stop the Navy from using a powerful new sonar system for detecting enemy submarines, saying the intense underwater sounds can harm whales and dolphins.

The coalition, led by the Natural Resources Defense Council, sued the Navy and the National Marine Fisheries Service in U.S. District Court in San Francisco to block the Surveillance Towed Array Sensor System Low Frequency Active sonar.

In July, the fisheries service gave the Navy a five-year exemption from the Marine Mammal Protection Act, which protects whales and dolphins.

``Despite the public and scientific outcry, the National Marine Fisheries Service, under whatever pressure, has licensed the U.S. Navy to basically break the law. It is a license to kill,'' said Jean-Michel Cousteau, founder and president of Ocean Futures Society, a member of the coalition.

Gordon Helm, spokesman for the fisheries service, said the agency has required the Navy to comply with some restrictions, such as not using the sonar within 12 nautical miles of the coast.

He said the changes would minimize the system's effect on animals. ``We consider that to be negligible. If we find out differently we can halt the authorization,'' Helm said.

A Navy representative did not immediately return calls for comment Wednesday.

The Navy said in July that the $300 million system is important to national security because nations such as Russia, Germany and China are developing super-quiet submarines to avoid traditional detection methods.

The lawsuit said the Navy's own studies show the new sonar system generates sounds up to 140 decibels that can be detected more than 300 miles away.

Opponents of the sonar say they fear sound that loud can disrupt marine mammals' feeding, breeding, nursing, communication and other behavior.

``The organisms we're talking about have in their heads a system for seeing with sound that's just as good as our system for seeing with light,'' George Woodwell, director of Woods Hole Research Center in Massachusetts, said of whales and dolphins. ``If we flood the oceans with sound that has enormous energy, we're killing them.''

Environmentalists note that within hours after the Navy deployed a powerful mid-range sonar during a submarine detection exercise near the Bahamas in 2000, at least 16 whales and two dolphins beached themselves. Scientists found hemorrhaging around the brain and ear bones -- injuries consistent with exposure to extremely loud sounds. Eight whales died.

The Humane Society, the League for Coastal Protection and the Cetacean Society International also are plaintiffs in the suit.

On the Net:

Natural Resources Defense Council: http://www.nrdc.org


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: enviralists; nrdc; sonar
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1 posted on 08/07/2002 4:16:42 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Radical Environmentalists Cut Army Down To Size
2 posted on 08/07/2002 4:42:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It's an assault on the military by the left, who won't be happy until we have no military at all. Environmentalism is just the cover and weapon of choice.
3 posted on 08/07/2002 4:46:27 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone; Orual; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah
``Despite the public and scientific outcry, the National Marine Fisheries Service, under whatever pressure, has licensed the U.S. Navy to basically break the law. It is a license to kill,'' said Jean-Michel Cousteau, founder and president of Ocean Futures Society, a member of the coalition.

Guess what, knucklehead, the Navy already has a license to kill. Same deal with the Army, Air Force, and Marines.

4 posted on 08/07/2002 4:48:20 PM PDT by dighton
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To: *Enviralists; madfly
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5 posted on 08/07/2002 6:41:33 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: dighton
Um, so, we choose between whales and people? After having given this a full 15 seconds worth of thought, I vote that people and their security should come first, and whales second.

I wonder if M. Cousteau thinks that, were the positions reversed, the whales would happily fall on their swords to save the humans. Something makes me think the whales would vote "whales first"....

6 posted on 08/07/2002 7:49:20 PM PDT by general_re
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To: shaggy eel; dighton; Orual; aculeus
Courtesy of shags, we see here why the Navy must be prepared to use any means necessary to deal with the creatures of the sea...

The caption that came with this reads "AND YOU THINK YOUR HAVING A BAD DAY AT WORK !! Although this looks like a picture taken from a Hollywood movie, it is in fact a real photo, taken near the South African coast during a military exercise by the British Navy. It has been nominated by Geo as 'THE photo of the year'."

7 posted on 08/07/2002 8:18:36 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
to stop the Navy from using a powerful new sonar system for detecting enemy submarines, saying the intense underwater sounds can harm whales and dolphins.

,,, not to mention eels.

8 posted on 08/07/2002 8:21:56 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: general_re; Orual; aculeus
I'm curious about the next photo in the sequence.

9 posted on 08/07/2002 8:22:53 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Dog Gone
Why can't we track down these environmentalist and sue them blind in class action law suits for the harm they do? Right now they should be ponying up for the worst forest fires in history. Break their freakin sponsers bank accounts.

Outlaw these groups legislatively.

10 posted on 08/07/2002 8:24:18 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: MissAmericanPie
,,, it's a class of treason.
11 posted on 08/07/2002 8:29:32 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: Dog Gone
Beam me up, Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here>
12 posted on 08/07/2002 8:32:44 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: dighton; shaggy eel
Couldn't tell you about any more photos in that sequence - seen any others, shags?

I'm sort of imagining a scene from "Jaws" myself, where the shark grabs hold of the rope ladder and starts pulling the helicopter down into the water ;)

13 posted on 08/07/2002 8:33:19 PM PDT by general_re
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To: dighton
LOL, no kidding.
14 posted on 08/07/2002 8:34:01 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: general_re
The photo is a fake. It was on Lucianne's site the other day with a link to the story behind it.
15 posted on 08/07/2002 8:37:33 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: CIB-173RDABN
I report, you decide ;)
16 posted on 08/07/2002 8:39:06 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
,,, it's an Orca. They're not man eaters. I saw a guy riding barefoot on one at Ocean Park in Hong Kong some years back. Whether the photo's a fake or not, it's perfect for this thread.
17 posted on 08/07/2002 8:44:35 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: CIB-173RDABN
If they'll do this to stop the sonar , what will they do to stop "Loki"!
Remember, DARPA is spending $ 15,000,000,000 (Yes, that's right fifteen billion!) this year and next year on R&D for "Loki".
You read it here first.
18 posted on 08/07/2002 8:44:55 PM PDT by tet68
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To: tet68
What's "Loki"?
19 posted on 08/07/2002 8:52:39 PM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
From the site. abbreviated.
Loki to provide the U.S. with lethal, stealthy, high speed under water fighter.
Will provide U.S. with asymetric operational advantage analogous to those enjoyed by U.S. fighter aircraft in air combat.

No wonder they want to spend 15 billion in the next two years.

Wow. Isn't the internet wonderful.

Oops here's the link. http://www.dtic.mil/descriptivesum/Y2002/DARPA/0603763E.pdf
20 posted on 08/07/2002 9:03:54 PM PDT by tet68
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