[WyldKard]

Conservatives start with social order, and then look to history to note that liberty is indespensible to maintaining order. First order, then liberty to sustain order. Thus, pure liberty is not necessary (or even possible, really); only enough liberty necessary to maintain order.

This may be true, but our Founding Fathers did not intend for Government to be the sole driving force of social order. They would not given us such chestnuts like "Government is like fire; a useful servant and a dangerous master." or "The Price of Freedom is eternal vigilance" or "When People fear the Government, its Tyranny. When Government fears the People, it's Liberty" if they thought exactly the way you do.

Morality begins in the home. The Government only exists to protect and enforce the rights of the individual. To the Libertarian, the smallest unit of Government is the individual. To the Socialist Conservative, the smallest unit of Government is the "social unit" or "society".

Libertarians live and die by the Constitution and apply it evenly, even to stuff they don't like which is protected. Socialist Conservatives make excuses and pretend that the Constitution is a quaint and charming suggestion when it means giving freedoms to stuff they personally don't like. The Anti-Gun Crowd and the pro-WOD crowd are two pea's in a pod. You can remove "drugs" and replace it with "guns" in any of their arguments, and they sound exactly alike. They complain about how corrupt and immoral the Government is, and then expect the Government to turn around and be the sole source of morality in this country.

[HumanaeVitae]

Actually, I'm the latter: a conservative, although not a socialist. I believe the government has the right to regulate all kinds of behaviors.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

To the Libertarian, the smallest unit of Government is the individual. To the Socialist Conservative, the smallest unit of Government is the "social unit" or "society".

And it's no wonder we conservatives can't discuss it with you ideologues.