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Gov't Won't Object To McVeigh Items Request-- Material To Be Turned Over To Lawyer
channeloklahoma.com ^ | July 24, 2002

Posted on 07/29/2002 9:58:57 PM PDT by glorygirl

DENVER -- Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they do not object to evidence from the trial of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh being returned to its legal owners.

McVeigh, who was executed on June 11, 2001, had asked in his will that his lawyer, Robert Nigh Jr., receive all his personal property, including documents, evidence and legal paperwork.

Nigh asked a judge to release the evidence that was offered only in McVeigh's trial. He did not ask for evidence used in both the trials of McVeigh and his co-conspirator, Terry Nichols.

Prosecutors filed papers in U.S. District Court Tuesday saying they did not object to Nigh's request, provided that evidence offered by prosecutors be returned to the government, and that minor corrections be made in Nigh's list of evidence to be released.

It was unclear how Nigh would distribute the material. He did not return a phone call to his Tulsa, Okla., office after business hours.

McVeigh, 33, was convicted on federal charges of murder and conspiracy for the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995. The blast killed 168 people.

Nichols was convicted on federal charges of involuntary manslaughter and given a life sentence without the possibility of parole. He is awaiting trial in Oklahoma on state murder charges that could bring the death penalty.

Both men were tried in Denver on the federal charges because of concerns an impartial jury could not be found in Oklahoma.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: fredthompson; mcveigh; okcbombing

1 posted on 07/29/2002 9:58:57 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: *OKCbombing; Alamo-Girl; Gary Aldrich; amom; archy; aristeides; anymouse; AtticusX; backhoe; ...
ping
2 posted on 07/29/2002 10:00:33 PM PDT by glorygirl
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To: glorygirl
thanks for the ping
3 posted on 07/29/2002 10:02:17 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: glorygirl
minor corrections be made in Nigh's list of evidence to be released.
 
Okie-dokey...

4 posted on 07/29/2002 10:07:28 PM PDT by chnsmok
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To: chnsmok
minor corrections be made in Nigh's list of evidence to be released.   Okie-dokey...

Hmmm, wonder what that means?

5 posted on 07/29/2002 10:10:03 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: ladyinred
minor corrections be made in Nigh's list of evidence to be released

I'm afraid we know what that means.

6 posted on 07/30/2002 5:46:20 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: glorygirl
Thanks for the heads up!
7 posted on 07/30/2002 6:57:26 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: glorygirl
Thanks
8 posted on 07/30/2002 7:57:15 AM PDT by amom
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To: glorygirl
So where is McVeigh's body these days?
9 posted on 07/30/2002 8:44:50 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
His father said at the time of the execution that McVeigh would be cremated and the ashes privately disposed of. Also a private Mass would be said for him.
10 posted on 07/30/2002 9:52:57 AM PDT by nofriendofbills
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To: nofriendofbills
His father said at the time of the execution that McVeigh would be cremated and the ashes privately disposed of. Also a private Mass would be said for him.

No autopsy, right?

11 posted on 07/30/2002 10:16:54 AM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: glorygirl; OKCSubmariner; honway; aristeides; Fred Mertz
I dont have a reaction yet.Clearly this is a mess beyond all messes.

Our government,Clinton and Bush, know and knew of ME involvment.

Now what?
12 posted on 07/30/2002 1:06:42 PM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: AdamSelene235
From ABC news.com

In addition to being convicted, McVeigh has also admitted his guilt and denied allegations he was part of a broader conspiracy, leading to speculation that he was hoping to serve as a martyr

I always thought martyrs would want a grave, a place for followers to pay homage. I remember years after Oswald's death, they exhumed the body as a result of a court order. No worries about the same thing happening with Tim McVeigh.

13 posted on 07/30/2002 2:47:22 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
No worries about the same thing happening with Tim McVeigh.

So, not wanting to be caught, he fled the scene in a car with no license plates going 100 mph with a pistol in his pants.

He was executed but no autopsy was performed and no body can be presented as evidence of his death?

14 posted on 07/30/2002 3:03:51 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: AdamSelene235
In my opinion, there are many parallels between the Oswald story and the McVeigh story.

Oswald's body was ordered exhumed in 1981 after author Michael Eddowes brought suit in Texas to determine who was actually buried in Oswald's grave.

We can be certain of one thing, twenty years from now, a judge will not order the exhumation of McVeigh's grave.

15 posted on 07/30/2002 3:23:07 PM PDT by honway
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To: AdamSelene235
"A classified report prepared by two independent Pentagon experts has concluded that the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City last April was caused by five separate bombs. The two experts reached the same conclusion for the same technical reasons.

Sources close to the Pentagon study say Timothy McVeigh did play a role in the bombing but peripherally, as a "useful idiot." The multiple bombings have a Middle Eastern "signature," pointing to either Iraqi or Syrian involvement."

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The quote is from an article in the 3-20-1996 Strategic Investment Newsletter. At the time, William Colby, former CIA Director, was an editor for the publication. I believe his status as editor contributes to the credibility of the article

16 posted on 07/30/2002 3:25:54 PM PDT by honway
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To: rdavis84
http://63.147.65.175/books/chap99.htm

ONE OF OURS Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing

The three hundred people outside were getting noisy. Many of them knew somebody who had been hurt or killed in the bombing in Oklahoma City, where McVeigh knew the FBI was going to take him, and they all wanted more than just a glimpse. He implored the agents, "Take me out the roof."

What do you mean? they asked.

"Jack Ruby," he said. "You remember what happened with Jack Ruby"

17 posted on 07/30/2002 5:16:43 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
But when Norman tried to press him further, McVeigh clammed up, invoking his constitutional privilege not to say anything more without a lawyer present. A few moments of silence had passed when McVeigh suddenly said, "Take me to the roof."

"The roof?" asked agent Norman, puzzled.

"Yeah, the roof," McVeigh said. He was glancing out the window and noticed a crowd gathering outside. Alerted by a local news flash that reported the chief suspect in the bombing was, of all places, in the Perry jailhouse, people had rushed to see what a suspected terrorist looks like. To McVeigh, however, the crowd had something else on its collective mind.

"Jack Ruby," McVeigh said, and at that moment his interrogators understood: He believed that somewhere in that crowd lurked one or more new Jack Rubys, the 1995 version of an avenging angel, half-crazed with grief and fury, determined to wreak immediate justice.
And to forestall that, McVeigh wanted the FBI to take him to the jailhouse roof, where their helicopter would lift him far above an aveng-ing mob and to what he obviously assumed would be federal incarceration.

He was right about the incarceration part, for the FBI agents immediately concluded that they had found their man. As one of them put it to McVeigh, "Explain to us why you would be so afraid of a Jack Ruby. Is it because you're afraid of what people might do to you when they find out you killed all those innocent people?"

No answer from McVeigh, but the agents had already assumed they wouldn't get one. They arrested him on murder and conspiracy charges, then hustled him out of the building in his orange jail suit to jeers of "Murderer!" and "Rot in hell!" from the crowd, some of whom had relatives or friends lying dead in the rubble of the federal building in Oklahoma City.

And from that moment until today, Timothy McVeigh never exchanged another word with the FBI.

18 posted on 07/30/2002 5:27:49 PM PDT by honway
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To: swampfx
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial9/mcveigh/3.htm

Link

Soon, he was taken to a room where FBI Special Agents Zimms and Norman Jr. waited. Zimms explained, “…you may have some information about the bombing…I’m going to read you your rights.”

McVeigh demanded an attorney.

Outside, the noise was building as a restless crowd gathered. The arrival of helicopters and police had signaled that someone involved in the bombing was inside.

There, McVeigh had asked for a bulletproof vest before being led outside. His mind was filled with images of the Jack Ruby- Lee Harvey Oswald shooting. His request was denied. He also asked if they could take him away in a helicopter. Again his request was denied – the agents explained the roof was unsuitable for chopper landing.

19 posted on 07/30/2002 5:54:44 PM PDT by honway
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To: honway
The way Jones explains it in his book, an attorney is obligated and required to follow the directives of the client. I highly recommend the book.


From “Others Unknown” by Stephen Jones

Page 259



"But the most telling indication was Tim’s “manifesto” to the defense team of November 24,1996. It was handwritten, addressed to “All Attorneys Assigned to U.S. Versus McVeigh,” and it read as follows: "

Defense strategy:

As official notice, let it be known that I do not approve of a trial strategy in which Terry Nichols is attacked, blamed or otherwise implicated in any crimes. Further, I do not approve of pointing the finger of responsibility at anyone else who I know is not responsible or who is in no way deserving of such scrutiny. I have relayed this wish orally for 18 months-not only concerning Terry Nichols, but also addressing the “foreign” investigations and the “neo- Nazi” investigations. My oral requests have been basically ignored for the past 18 months and it is only recently that Judge Matsch has forced the defense into partial compliance with my wish. However, the defense still tries to ignore my wishes-demands where Terry Nichols is concerned.

I will not allow you to coerce me into lowering my moral and ethical values to that of attorneys and lawyers.

So that it is clear, I approve of any general reference to unknown others or cover-ups, but I expressly do not approve of any specific allegation against specific groups or individuals-unless those groups or individuals are clearly approved by me in writing.(The only person or groups that I currently give permission to attack is Roger Moore.) For further explanation of my feelings, see the letter I wrote to Jeralyn Merrit with attached 4 x 6 Post-its which I delivered to Bob Wyatt on October 30,1996. Attached to this letter was a request for general circulation and comment, but it also has been ignored.

(signed) Tim McVeigh November 24, 1996



Jones continues on page 259:

"In other words, we were now restricted from raising the possibility of anybody else involved, unless Tim gave us permission in writing, and the only person he was authorizing was Roger Moore, against whom he nursed a grievance but who, from everything we knew, hadn’t been involved in the bombing!"

20 posted on 10/23/2002 12:38:03 PM PDT by honway
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