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Britons left in jail amid fears that Saudi Arabia could fall to al-Qaeda
The Guardian ^ | Sunday July 28, 2002 | Martin Bright, Nick Pelham and Paul Harris

Posted on 07/27/2002 10:11:04 PM PDT by prophetic

Britons left in jail amid fears that Saudi Arabia could fall to al-Qaeda

Martin Bright, Nick Pelham and Paul Harris Sunday July 28, 2002 The Observer

Saudi Arabia is teetering on the brink of collapse, fuelling Foreign Office fears of an extremist takeover of one of the West's key allies in the war on terror.

Anti-government demonstrations have swept the desert kingdom in the past months in protest at the pro-American stance of the de facto ruler, Prince Abdullah.

At the same time, Whitehall officials are concerned that Abdullah could face a palace coup from elements within the royal family sympathetic to al-Qaeda.

Saudi sources said the Pentagon had recently sponsored a secret conference to look at options if the royal family fell.

Demonstrations across the kingdom broke out in March, triggered by a fire in a girls' school in which 14 pupils died after the religious police stopped them escaping.

Unrest in the east of the country rapidly escalated into nationwide protests against the royal family that were brutally suppressed by the police. The Observer has obtained secret video footage of the protests smuggled out of the country last week that shows hundreds of Saudis, including women, demonstrating in support of the Palestinians and opposition to the regime.

The Foreign Office believes that the failure of Abdullah's recent Middle East peace plan could have terminally undermined his position.

The Crown Prince's main rival, Prince Sultan, the Defence Minister, has been vocal in his opposition to Abdullah's pro- Western policy. His brother Prince Naif, head of the Interior Ministry, has led a crackdown on the Saudi media in the wake of the demonstrations to stop any word of them leaking out.

Abdullah has even sent his own representative to Washington to counter the influence of the ambassador, Prince Bandar, a son of Prince Sultan.

Anti-Abdullah elements within the Saudi government are also thought to have colluded in a wave of bomb attacks on Western targets by Islamic terrorists.

The authorities have blamed the attacks on an alleged 'turf war' between Westerners involved in the bootleg alcohol trade and have jailed five Britons, a Canadian and a Belgian for the bombings. But British intelligence sources have confirmed that the attacks were carried out by Islamists linked to al-Qaeda.

Earlier this year, the accused men were handed sentences ranging from execution to long prison terms. But lawyers acting for the Britons have told The Observer that they could soon be free.

The tensions between the royal factions will intensify with the death of King Fahd. The condition of the king, in hospital in Switzerland, is 'unstable', doctors said.

British-based Saudi dissident Dr Saad al-Fagih said: 'There is now an undeclared war between the factions in the Saudi royal family.'


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; foreignaffairs; saudiarabia; terrorism; waronterror
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Now after years of feeding the baby of Islam it has now grown up and growling at the people that has fed it.

Now aint that dandy, with Saudi Arabia having the latest western military technology plus billions of petro dollars to boot it seems they may end up like IRAN?

I've always held that these pro-western Middle East dictators are all corrupt and spineless to take a real stand against the Muslim/Islamist terrorists in their midst.
methinks Bush should just topple the current Saudi govt and make them a part of Texas :-)

1 posted on 07/27/2002 10:11:04 PM PDT by prophetic
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So when Al-Qaeda takes over, Saudi Arabia will be different how, exactly?................
2 posted on 07/27/2002 10:14:40 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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There will be trouble ahead.
3 posted on 07/27/2002 10:16:11 PM PDT by Michael2001
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So when Al-Qaeda takes over, Saudi Arabia will be different how, exactly?................

De jure instead of de facto.  And the focus of the War on Terror.
Sometimes things have to get worse before they can improve.

4 posted on 07/27/2002 10:18:03 PM PDT by gcruse
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Exactly what I was thinking, IMHO they are Al-Qaeta.

They hold telethon's for the families of suicide bombers
They sent 14 of the 19 hijackers
They fund radical Islamic schools all over the world
They can lie almost as well as William Jefferson Clinton
And They hate the west...

If it walks like a Duck!

5 posted on 07/27/2002 10:26:08 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: gcruse; knighthawk; piasa; dennisw; Jeff Head
We take the Eastern oil fields.

Jordan get Mecca and Medina back.

The Wahhabists get permanently relocated to the Empty Quarter with one tank of gas per SUV.

6 posted on 07/27/2002 10:40:19 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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Hey, sounds good to me, if they LIKE Al Queada so much, and they do, then if they take over, it finally gives us an excuse to go in and bomb the place back to the stoneage and take our oil wells back.

The only reason we don't attack them is because of that sea of oil they are on. The prince falls, alquaeda takes over, and it's all OURS baby!! Because then we take them out BIG time....
7 posted on 07/27/2002 10:46:06 PM PDT by Aric2000
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Islam has the stated goal of ruling the entire world. I guess they will do it through "peaceful" means however. (sarcasm)
8 posted on 07/27/2002 10:48:35 PM PDT by ladyinred
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Now aint that dandy, with Saudi Arabia having the latest western military technology plus billions of petro dollars to boot it seems they may end up like IRAN?

We should have let Iraq take them in '90. That would teach the ungrateful scum that makes up the House of Saud. To think we can't even say grace at the same moment we are defending their stinking rat hole.

9 posted on 07/27/2002 10:55:49 PM PDT by Kobyashi1942
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For one thing, we will pull out our forces if al-Qaeda takes over. We have thousands of men and women at Prince Sultan Air Base right now.

In addition, if this transpires, it will just mean more chaos for the markets, energy prices, and middle east politics.

But, God is still in charge.

10 posted on 07/27/2002 10:57:18 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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The Crown Prince's main rival, Prince Sultan, the Defence Minister, has been vocal in his opposition to Abdullah's pro- Western policy.

The author of this article has it backwards. Prince Sultan has been much more pro-American than Prince Abdullah. Prince Abdullah is a Muslim fanatic, and no friend of the U.S.

11 posted on 07/27/2002 11:02:47 PM PDT by EternalHope
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I imagine we'd make even shorter work of the Saudis than we did with Iraq in 91. If this happens, in a way it makes everything easier. Take out those backstabbing Saudis and the Iraqis in 100 days, and install client state government. As soon as they went al Queda it's open season on them.
12 posted on 07/27/2002 11:09:02 PM PDT by motexva
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The tensions between the royal factions will intensify with the death of King Fahd. The condition of the king, in hospital in Switzerland, is 'unstable', doctors said.

I didn't realize that the good King was in such grave condition. I have a study Koran as a personal gift from him.

Seems to me that the "Tradition" of the next son of Ibn Saud to take over, is guaranteeing more and more enfeeblement as that generation ages. Apparantly that was the same for The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan until, just days before his death, King Hussein changed the succession rules in favor of his son, the now King Abdullah, in keeping with Western notions of Royal Succession.

13 posted on 07/27/2002 11:17:56 PM PDT by Lael
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"You reap what you sew" is ringing loudly in my ears for some reason..

I do wonder about this though:

What the heck does that mean and if it means what it appears to mean then why does it mean that?

14 posted on 07/28/2002 2:33:25 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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They will have allot of money and will try to use oil as a weapon against us.

This will happen shortly before we attack them.

15 posted on 07/28/2002 2:34:29 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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Anybody have anything more about a 'current' revolt in Saudi? I have heard nothing about it, other than the normal squabbling.
16 posted on 07/28/2002 3:06:09 AM PDT by XBob
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It means what it says, and is really horrific. There was a fire in a girls school, and the girls tried to escape from the building on fire, however, they didn't have on their face coverings, so the religious police would not let them out and they burned to death.
17 posted on 07/28/2002 3:08:58 AM PDT by XBob
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Come on now you all ought ot know that stupids like Dashole will never sit still and let us go after Saudi Arabia. But the stupids in Saudi Arabia will learn that America is the only place to sell their only product that fuesl their lifestyles.

As for me, I think we shold just vaporize medina.

18 posted on 07/28/2002 3:11:40 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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You're kidding me.

Praise be to "allah" for protecting these girls from their sinfullness.

You know, much more of this and imo, we can walk in not as a hostile military force to be destroyed at all costs, but as liberators who will actually be welcomed.

19 posted on 07/28/2002 3:14:07 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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My 2 cents: Huge mistake.

You want worldwide outrage till the end of time? Then nuke medina and you will have it.

You will also have terror on a scale never before imagined.

20 posted on 07/28/2002 3:15:43 AM PDT by Jhoffa_
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